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My gaming group primarily is comprised of me, my girlfriend, my friend, and his wife. My friend and I are pretty much up for any level of complexity and prefer the heavier games. My girlfriend can play anything, but she prefers games that keep her attention and don't make her think too hard or keep track of too many things. My friend's wife can also get into anything eventually, but she's often daunted when I bring over something heavy (Caverna).

Today, my girlfriend told me that:

· Ticket to Ride's complexity is 1.
· Splendor's complexity is 1.25.
· Alchemists and Euphoria's complexity is 4.
· She would like a game with complexity 2.

So, I'm looking for recommendations for games with twice as much complexity as Ticket to Ride and half as much as Alchemists.

Thanks in advance!

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Let's see, divide the 2 into the...carry the....subtract the remainder...

The Castles of Burgundy
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I'm gonna suggest Alhambra. It's light complex and you don't really have to keep track of anything. There are a few similarities between it and ticket to ride but I think its SOOO MUCH better.

Best of luck finding that perfect 2!

also +1 to castles, its more complicated but I'm a fan
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Perhaps Alien Frontiers, Airlines Europe, or Roll for the Galaxy? Definitely agree with Castles of Burgundy once you're familiar with the symbology on the tiles.
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captainraffi wrote:
Let's see, divide the 2 into the...carry the....subtract the remainder...

The Castles of Burgundy



Yep.


You could also look at (these vary between 1.5 - 2.5 I would say):
Black Fleet
Castles of Mad King Ludwig or Suburbia
Tikal
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Relic runners is 2x ticket to ride

Tigris and Euphrates is Alchemists/2

 
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+1 to The Castles of Burgundy

Suburbia may also work.
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I'm really not a fan of Castles of Burgundy. It's just a dull experience in my opinion - I'm probably in the minority here though :-)

I've been playing a lot of Abyss with my girlfriend lately! Really a great game.
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Rise and Decline of the Third Reich JOKING!

So, assuming you didn't say 2 x 4 ? and you just want a 2, then...

Okay, try Pandemic. It's a co-op, and fun to play with anywhere from 2 to 4 players.

For a little more complexity and great experience, try Dead of Winter: A Crossroads Game. You might have trouble finding a copy though.
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Well, I've been on an Elysium kick today. Game play is very straightforward, but the cards offer some strategic decisions, although not overly complex.
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how about Stone Age - it's a favourite for my wife & me.
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BGG has a weight ranking system, and using that data, we get

Weight of Ticket to Ride = 1.9

Weight of Alchemists = 3.7

You can agree or disagree about these weights, which are based on the opinions of many people, but all we are interested in to answer your question is the relative weights.

You want a game that's 1/3 of the way from Ticket to Ride to Alchemists, which implies (based on the above) that you want a BGG weight of 2.5

Here are the top-ranked games with weights between 2.4 and 2.6:

Pandemic
Stone Age
Lords of Waterdeep
Shadows over Camelot
Lord of the Rings

Now, I'm not saying these are definitely games your group will like (three of them are cooperative games, so you'd have to think about whether you like those,) but they seem to me to be about the weight you are seeking.
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Maybe Viticulture. I happen to think it is not too complex, although some might disagree. Five Tribes I think could solidly fit in this category, as well as Abyss.
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captainraffi wrote:
Let's see, divide the 2 into the...carry the....subtract the remainder...

The Castles of Burgundy


love your math disagree with the answer.
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Your girlfriend sounds very much like my Wife. I love Terra Mystica, she tolerates it at best. She likes Agricola though have you considered that oldie but goody?

Also she might like Steam Park, its a smart little game doesn't take too long to play.
 
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RHelms wrote:
I'm really not a fan of Castles of Burgundy. It's just a dull experience in my opinion - I'm probably in the minority here though :-)

I've been playing a lot of Abyss with my girlfriend lately! Really a great game.


Nope I am going to hop on your unpopular Band wagon. I am going to utter a blasphemy here and say that Stefan Feld is overrated. Though of the three Feld games I have played CoB is his best.
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captainraffi wrote:
Let's see, divide the 2 into the...carry the....subtract the remainder...

The Castles of Burgundy
The rule instruction can be a little rough, for a beginner, but it can be light and entertaining once you get started. At this level of complexity, I chose Rialto as a transition game for my family, from Ticket to Ride. It has some mechanical similarities to TtR, but introduces a little action selection and area control.
Eric Brosius wrote:

Here are the top-ranked games with weights between 2.4 and 2.6:

Pandemic
Stone Age
Lords of Waterdeep
Shadows over Camelot
Lord of the Rings

Now, I'm not saying these are definitely games your group will like (three of them are cooperative games, so you'd have to think about whether you like those,) but they seem to me to be about the weight you are seeking.
THere are some good choices on that list, if you can find one there that fits her interests. I think my family would like Lords of Waterdeep, but they would never be able to get past the theme.
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Maybe Viticulture. I happen to think it is not too complex, although some might disagree. Five Tribes I think could solidly fit in this category, as well as Abyss.
Abyss could be a good choice, as long as she doesn't turn her nose up at the box. San Juan (second edition) seems to have caught on with my family, as another card game at a similar level, and was easy to introduce because of my families fondness for Puerto Rico (the island). I hope to use it to move them toward Puerto Rico (the game), but San Juan is such a great game in it's own right.
 
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Based on what you've said about your girlfriend, I'd recommend Pandemic as well -- just because there is an important element of interaction, so you never get quite bored, and it's simple enough to keep track of.

Flash Point: Fire Rescue is a simpler cooperative game, but one you have to coordinate with others. You can make it insanely hard but still keep everyone happy with it.

Another one that's not been listed here is Caracassonne. Sure, it gets a bad rap because it's an introductory game that's been around a long time, but it's simple to pick up with varying levels of difficulty if you add inexpensive expansions.

Finally, though it's expensive and a big box, Star Wars: Imperial Assault is actually easy to grasp once you get through the initial rules, and you can play with heavy gamers (who want to analyze everything) and those who just want to have a good time throwing yourself at the bad guys.

At least, those are the ones from my collection which my group seems to like.
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Eric Brosius wrote:
You want a game that's 1/3 of the way from Ticket to Ride to Alchemists, which implies (based on the above) that you want a BGG weight of 2.5

Here are the top-ranked games with weights between 2.4 and 2.6:

Pandemic
Stone Age
Lords of Waterdeep
Shadows over Camelot
Lord of the Rings

Now, I'm not saying these are definitely games your group will like (three of them are cooperative games, so you'd have to think about whether you like those,) but they seem to me to be about the weight you are seeking.

I agree with your line of reasoning - in addition to your excellent suggestions how about:
Istanbul
Vikings
Cinque Terre
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If you're looking to build on Ticket, maybe Airlines Europe?
 
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RenaissanceMom wrote:
Eric Brosius wrote:
You want a game that's 1/3 of the way from Ticket to Ride to Alchemists, which implies (based on the above) that you want a BGG weight of 2.5

Here are the top-ranked games with weights between 2.4 and 2.6:

Pandemic
Stone Age
Lords of Waterdeep
Shadows over Camelot
Lord of the Rings

Now, I'm not saying these are definitely games your group will like (three of them are cooperative games, so you'd have to think about whether you like those,) but they seem to me to be about the weight you are seeking.

I agree with your line of reasoning - in addition to your excellent suggestions how about:
Istanbul
Vikings
Cinque Terre


+1 for Istanbul
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+1 Stone Age
+1 Vikings

I think Castles of Burgundy would be a more like a 2.75 on your scale.

Pandemic and Shadows over Camelot are the right weight but some people just don't like co-ops.

I recommend Ra
 
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EMPIRE BUILDER a train game also.
 
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