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I received a package from the mail. When I opened it, I had to think hard what it is about. It contained some dice and a deck of cards in a plastic bag. Hmmm... Then I remembered I pledged square shooter by game salute some time back.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/gamesalute/9-shooter-qu...

Wait a minute! Since when have I pledged a game that is incomplete in production without a decent box?

Why did game salute not inform me before sending it to me and ask me if I want a game without a box? Instead it posted on the comments section after it has sent out the rewards that anyone is free to ask for a refund. The difference is that there will be returns cost involved and is it going to foot that as well?

I am pretty amazed by the comments that it didn't have enough funds to make the boxes. I would have preferred it that they abort the whole thing and I just buy the base version off Amazon.
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I pledged for just the cards and rules, as I already have several sets of Square Shooter dice, but I would be really pissed off if I pledged for the full game and it came with no box.

That's completely unacceptable. You should definitely ask for a refund.
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Wow.

I'm speechless.
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Well, they said ShipNaked and you got ShipNaked.
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Looked up Wok Star today only to see GS is doing a KS for it, and it looks to be failing. Sad because I would like it to be in print, but maybe people are catching on to how bad GS is at KS games outside of Keyflower related items.
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I do not respect Game Salutes business practices regarding Kickstarter or otherwise.
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It's not that simple for me as the cost of returning it may outweigh the refund I am getting if any. Why couldn't GS ask if I want to accept the rewards and get a refund if I choose not to get the rewards, instead of sending it out and then ask if I want a refund.
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It's not that I didn't read it. I backed it despite the comments there thinking that maybe it will pull up its socks. Now I know better. It is capable of going lower. God knows how much lower it is aiming.
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Wow... no box? Even James Ernest managed a white envelope with printing at least.
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Why couldn't GS ask if I want to accept the rewards and get a refund if I choose not to get the rewards, instead of sending it out and then ask if I want a refund.


Because if they asked first it would mean they cared about their customer's opinion.
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Did they ship it to you in a box?? If so, that would be highly ironic.
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Sorry to hear about this. If the backers can reach a consensus regarding the box size, I can offer to layout a design for a DIY box.
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Did they ship it to you in a box?? If so, that would be highly ironic.


The ironic answer is yes. They shipped a game without a box in a box.
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This whole story is absolutely disgusting.
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matthean wrote:
Looked up Wok Star today only to see GS is doing a KS for it, and it looks to be failing. Sad because I would like it to be in print, but maybe people are catching on to how bad GS is at KS games outside of Keyflower related items.


Alien Frontier has generally worked out as well. There's the usual/expected delays, but so far everything has been delivered and in good shape. We'll see what happens w/ the "Big Box" that is expected next year.
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matthean wrote:
Looked up Wok Star today only to see GS is doing a KS for it, and it looks to be failing. Sad because I would like it to be in print, but maybe people are catching on to how bad GS is at KS games outside of Keyflower related items.


What's sad is backing a project and getting shafted by the creator.

Anyway, WK made $72K, so we should see it in stores.
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matthean wrote:
Looked up Wok Star today only to see GS is doing a KS for it, and it looks to be failing. Sad because I would like it to be in print, but maybe people are catching on to how bad GS is at KS games outside of Keyflower related items.


Alien Frontier has generally worked out as well. There's the usual/expected delays, but so far everything has been delivered and in good shape. We'll see what happens w/ the "Big Box" that is expected next year.


Except the Alien Frontiers: Rocket Dice right?
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Creator Game Salute 4 days ago:

Hello everyone - you have received the boxes you got in the mail as this game will not be receiving a retail release. In the end we made only a handful of copies of the game, enough to cover the backer pledges and a few more to be passed out to reviewers in a bid to hopefully stir up some interest in doing a new run of 9SQD. The funds raised were not enough to include printing boxes to the quality we'd demand in such small numbers. Should you wish to return the game to us, please do so and we will organise a refund for any of you who are dissatisfied.


I've read this in the comments section of the kickstarter.

Wauw, just wauw...

I have backed the 2nd edition of Poseidons Kingdom with Game Salute. They'd better deliver it in a nice box...
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Creator Game Salute 4 days ago:

Hello everyone - you have received the boxes you got in the mail as this game will not be receiving a retail release. In the end we made only a handful of copies of the game, enough to cover the backer pledges and a few more to be passed out to reviewers in a bid to hopefully stir up some interest in doing a new run of 9SQD. The funds raised were not enough to include printing boxes to the quality we'd demand in such small numbers. Should you wish to return the game to us, please do so and we will organise a refund for any of you who are dissatisfied.


I've read this in the comments section of the kickstarter.

Wauw, just wauw...

I have backed the 2nd edition of Poseidons Kingdom with Game Salute. They'd better deliver it in a nice box...


I've not backed any game salute games, but have read through the many complaints people had, from late delivery to the items not up to standard etc.

at least for those there were attempts to justify the mistakes made... but this is just.... gulp
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http://www.squareshooters.com/contact-us.html

Drop the creators of the base game a message and let them know how unhappy you are about what Game Salute did with their game.

Perhaps they will put pressure on Game Salute to do the right thing and make us some frigging game boxes.
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Geekmail Michael at Gamesalute a note and let him know politely what happened.
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/user/Game%20Salute

Even though you had a bad experience, Gamesalute is changing and Michael is a nice guy and I'm sure they will make it right.
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It's not that simple for me as the cost of returning it may outweigh the refund I am getting if any. Why couldn't GS ask if I want to accept the rewards and get a refund if I choose not to get the rewards, instead of sending it out and then ask if I want a refund.


Did the second game show up? "Ambush"

Honestly, I'd maybe consider complaining directly to kickstarter.
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Wow... no box? Even James Ernest managed a white envelope with printing at least.


Hey! James Ernest's Cheapass Games has been back in business for several years with six successful kickstarter campaigns (five delivered in a reasonable amount of time, current project ahead of schedule.) And all of his kickstarted games come in decent full-color boxes. Some of the white envelope games are still available, though, so I do see your point.
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I just re-read the kickstarter page.

"Yup, that's right, there are actually TWO games in this box."

Since they intended a box, they are toting the line of acting in bad faith.

If the box wasn't automatically included in the base price of the kickstarter, it should have been a stretch goal.

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