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I'm a firm believer that some people are born with natural talents... and conversely some are born with natural blocks. I suffer from the latter.

Don't read to me out loud, I WILL NOT absorb anything in this manner. I need to read along or it just goes in one ear and out the other. Makes having rules explained to me difficult. Learning as I go works better, I don't mind losing a few games.. (ok, I lose a lot more than a few but it's still fun for me..)

Card synergy. That might as well be written in a dead language because it's impossible for me to understand. Perhaps I'm just stubborn as an ox or something but learning card synergy for like EVERY GAME MADE is an exercise in futility on my part. I just don't ever get it, about as close as I can come to card synergy is the three card follows the two card and so on. Doesn't stop me from trying but man oh man I'm as sharp as a box of bowling balls when it comes to card synergy.

I tend to try to play by the seat of my pants so you can imagine how horrible I am at any games that take long term planing, which would be MOST OF THE GAMES I OWN! I like to think I have the strategic depth of a Go master but in reality if I see something shiny I'm off chasing it until the next shiny thing catches my eye.

I may suck at board games, I may come in last just about every time but boy oh boy I have a good time getting there! It's not about the winning for me but the playing, so I guess that actually makes me the best player at the table in the end.
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You're writing like you've looked into my own soul. Thank you for putting this into words. Your last paragraph sums it up, and it's a talent alright, not a block at all cool
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dice roll wrote:
Don't read to me out loud, I WILL NOT absorb anything in this manner. I need to read along or it just goes in one ear and out the other. Makes having rules explained to me difficult. Learning as I go works better, I don't mind losing a few games.. (ok, I lose a lot more than a few but it's still fun for me..)


Agreed!

This is why I hate the trend for everything to presented as a video, regardless of necessity. Gimme a damn transcript! Not only do I read way faster than people speak, but I'll actually remember it this way too!
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dice roll wrote:
I'm a firm believer that some people are born with natural talents... and conversely some are born with natural blocks. I suffer from the latter.

Don't read to me out loud, I WILL NOT absorb anything in this manner. I need to read along or it just goes in one ear and out the other. Makes having rules explained to me difficult. Learning as I go works better, I don't mind losing a few games.. (ok, I lose a lot more than a few but it's still fun for me..)

Card synergy. That might as well be written in a dead language because it's impossible for me to understand. Perhaps I'm just stubborn as an ox or something but learning card synergy for like EVERY GAME MADE is an exercise in futility on my part. I just don't ever get it, about as close as I can come to card synergy is the three card follows the two card and so on. Doesn't stop me from trying but man oh man I'm as sharp as a box of bowling balls when it comes to card synergy.

I tend to try to play by the seat of my pants so you can imagine how horrible I am at any games that take long term planing, which would be MOST OF THE GAMES I OWN! I like to think I have the strategic depth of a Go master but in reality if I see something shiny I'm off chasing it until the next shiny thing catches my eye.

I may suck at board games, I may come in last just about every time but boy oh boy I have a good time getting there! It's not about the winning for me but the playing, so I guess that actually makes me the best player at the table in the end.


Would have to agree man!

FUN is what we are all in it for ..............I hope...........
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Same here. Although I do all the field work and choose the games we buy, I rarely win at anything. But seeing how a game that I chose click with the other players and gets them involved is priceless.
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PandoraCaitiff wrote:
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Don't read to me out loud, I WILL NOT absorb anything in this manner. I need to read along or it just goes in one ear and out the other. Makes having rules explained to me difficult. Learning as I go works better, I don't mind losing a few games.. (ok, I lose a lot more than a few but it's still fun for me..)


Agreed!

This is why I hate the trend for everything to presented as a video, regardless of necessity. Gimme a damn transcript! Not only do I read way faster than people speak, but I'll actually remember it this way too!


I couldn't agree more! I take in and remember things so much better in written form than spoken. And it's faster too!
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Don't read to me out loud, I WILL NOT absorb anything in this manner. I need to read along or it just goes in one ear and out the other. Makes having rules explained to me difficult. Learning as I go works better, I don't mind losing a few games.. (ok, I lose a lot more than a few but it's still fun for me..)


I strongly suspect that this applies to many of the people I game with - yet weirdly, all the friends who come round to play games (thankfully, not the people at the local board games club) refuse to even contemplate reading the rules, relying instead on me for an explanation of the game - and of course blaming me when something gets missed.
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dice roll wrote:
I'm a firm believer that some people are born with natural talents... and conversely some are born with natural blocks. I suffer from the latter.

Don't read to me out loud, I WILL NOT absorb anything in this manner. I need to read along or it just goes in one ear and out the other. Makes having rules explained to me difficult. Learning as I go works better, I don't mind losing a few games.. (ok, I lose a lot more than a few but it's still fun for me..)


If someone is reading to you out loud, they are terrible at teaching the game laugh If you need to be reading, you have no business teaching.

What my brain refuses to learn: How to recognize the application of infinite series as the solution or practical element in a derivation. In that sense, for what I've done, I'm bad at math.
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Excellent article.

Card synergy involves rote memorization of intricate combinations.

A board game which requires extensive planning threatens to cross the line between play and work.

Neither of these two elements (common in many current titles) match my definition of the word fun.
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I can hardly remember anything that's read to me either. Or, I'll remember snippets from here, and bits from there, and whole new rules are created in my mind.
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Memorization might not be the best thing. However, discovery of synergy between two or more different aspects is exhilarating
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4 elements, 4 colours.

Water is blue.

Earth is green.

Fire is yellow.

Air is red.

...wait, what ?
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When it comes to board games I like too see them played or actually play them with people who know how to play them already as I find that the best way too learn. Just simply reading the rules out loud doesn't always work for me (especially with the more complex games) so I love watching a lot of the YouTube videos around especially ones by Tom Vasel and Watch It Played where you see them actually do a run through of the game.

Everyone has a different way of learning, what works for one person may not work for another its as simple as that in my opinion...


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dice roll wrote:
I'm a firm believer that some people are born with natural talents... and conversely some are born with natural blocks. I suffer from the latter.

Don't read to me out loud, I WILL NOT absorb anything in this manner. I need to read along or it just goes in one ear and out the other. Makes having rules explained to me difficult. Learning as I go works better, I don't mind losing a few games.. (ok, I lose a lot more than a few but it's still fun for me..)

I think this is true for most people. Unless you have a very nice voice reading it. Have you tried getting one of your friends with a sexy voice to read things to you?

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Card synergy. That might as well be written in a dead language because it's impossible for me to understand. Perhaps I'm just stubborn as an ox or something but learning card synergy for like EVERY GAME MADE is an exercise in futility on my part. I just don't ever get it, about as close as I can come to card synergy is the three card follows the two card and so on. Doesn't stop me from trying but man oh man I'm as sharp as a box of bowling balls when it comes to card synergy.

I'm so sorry. Card synnergy often comes naturally to me, and it's one of my favorite things to look for and discover in games.

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I tend to try to play by the seat of my pants so you can imagine how horrible I am at any games that take long term planing, which would be MOST OF THE GAMES I OWN! I like to think I have the strategic depth of a Go master but in reality if I see something shiny I'm off chasing it until the next shiny thing catches my eye.

As long as you're having fun.

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I may suck at board games, I may come in last just about every time but boy oh boy I have a good time getting there! It's not about the winning for me but the playing, so I guess that actually makes me the best player at the table in the end.

Cool.
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For me, card synergy can be tolerable (or even good) under certain conditions.

Most of the time, most people can see some good trivial combinations, but if those are complex and knowing the best combos becomes the only way to win or if there are a lot of cards and memorization of them gives someone a distinct advantage (I will hold on to those useless cards because in the Third Age Deck there is a card that will make them very powerful and my victory certain) the game loses much of its appeal.
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. . .4 elements, 4 colours.

Water is blue.

Earth is green.

Fire is yellow.

Air is red.

...wait, what ?


Exactly my wife's complaint. I just have been too lazy to redesign the board, and even if I could I have no way to change the color of the dice. *sigh*
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dice roll wrote:
Don't read to me out loud, I WILL NOT absorb anything in this manner. I need to read along or it just goes in one ear and out the other. Makes having rules explained to me difficult. Learning as I go works better, I don't mind losing a few games.. (ok, I lose a lot more than a few but it's still fun for me..)

This is not a block. You, sir, are a haptic learner, and NOT an auditory learner.

(I seem to be hitting this a lot lately; I may have to eventually really write something up)

Dr. Lynn O'Brien classified people according to their preferred learning channels: Visual learners like to read and see images, Auditory learners like to hear things explained, and Haptic learners need to get their hands on something to understand it. Most people have one strong channel and one weak, while some have two strong channels. "Strong" perhaps isn't the best word, though, as it's more a preference.

At any rate, we're alike in that we are both strongly Haptic, and simply can't do Auditory. Luckily, when it comes to learning games, the self-aware Haptic learner can adapt. The next time someone wants to recite the rule book, simply tell them, "Hey, I don't learn well from verbal explanations. Can you please be sure to actually demonstrate how the game works?"

Have the teacher actually set things up to play through a sample turn or two. The game doesn't have to be completely set up, just enough to show what happens on a turn. Be sure to ask questions if you don't understand something! From the turn demonstration, you'll be able to visualize yourself taking a turn, and the rules will stick better.

If you want to be really thorough, do the demonstration yourself, guided by the teacher. The teacher says, "The first step is to roll the dice," and you roll the dice. "It's a two, so Jim and Joe both get ore." You give Jim and Joe an ore. "Now you can trade and build." Simulate a trade and build a road (or whatever). "Now the turn is over." Pass the dice to the next person.

That may sound extreme, but you sound really frustrated with your current game teachers.

Other things that might help:
-If you know in advance that you're going to learn a new game, see if you can find a turn summary on BGG. It helps to have something to follow your first few turns.
-If you have no other recourse than to read the rulebook, see if you can put something brightly colored behind it, like a piece of construction paper. I know how weird this sounds. Trust me. It's called "color grounding," and it actually does work.

If you're interested in learning a bit more about your learning channel, there's a nifty little questionnaire to score your preferences here: Learning Channel Preference. It also has tips for each learning style. Granted, it's more about classroom learning, but a lot of it does translate over to learning games.
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Don't read to me out loud, I WILL NOT absorb anything in this manner. I need to read along or it just goes in one ear and out the other. Makes having rules explained to me difficult. Learning as I go works better, I don't mind losing a few games.. (ok, I lose a lot more than a few but it's still fun for me..)

This is not a block. You, sir, are a haptic learner, and NOT an auditory learner.

While I agree that it's not a block, that doesn't necessarily mean he is one type of learner or the other. He's talking specifically about having the rules read to him. I have no problem in listening to a proper rules explanation, but reading rules out loud is probably the worst way to teach rules. One or two sentences when looking up some rule, fine, but the whole rulebook?! I would leave the table if someone tried to teach me a game like this.
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That's really interesting. I have no trouble absorbing things read out loud to me but I do have a really hard time reading out loud due to dyslexia.

For people that don't absorb this way, do you enjoy podcasts, books on tape or do you have a hard time staying connected to it?
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Don't read to me out loud, I WILL NOT absorb anything in this manner. I need to read along or it just goes in one ear and out the other. Makes having rules explained to me difficult. Learning as I go works better, I don't mind losing a few games.. (ok, I lose a lot more than a few but it's still fun for me..)

This is not a block. You, sir, are a haptic learner, and NOT an auditory learner.

While I agree that it's not a block, that doesn't necessarily mean he is one type of learner or the other. He's talking specifically about having the rules read to him. I have no problem in listening to a proper rules explanation, but reading rules out loud is probably the worst way to teach rules. One or two sentences when looking up some rule, fine, but the whole rulebook?! I would leave the table if someone tried to teach me a game like this.


Second paragraph in the OP (emphasis mine):
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Don't read to me out loud, I WILL NOT absorb anything in this manner. I need to read along or it just goes in one ear and out the other. Makes having rules explained to me difficult. Learning as I go works better, I don't mind losing a few games.. (ok, I lose a lot more than a few but it's still fun for me..)


If it looks like a haptic learner, walks like a haptic learner, and quacks like a haptic learner . . .
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My kryptonite are games which you have your money and your company's money. While I like economic games like Brass and Indonesia, I have serious issues when I tried to play Imperial, Master of Economy and Greed Incorporated.
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....Card synergy. That might as well be written in a dead language because it's impossible for me to understand....


You can't type things like this and not expect people to laugh hard enough so as to accidentally spit coffee on their keyboard!

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b a n j o wrote:
Kyur wrote:

4 elements, 4 colours.

Water is blue.

Earth is green.

Fire is yellow.

Air is red.

...wait, what ?


I hate this game just on principle. What game is this?

Seasons. Great game.

To be fair, the colour-coding seems to be based on the 4 seasons, not the 4 elements (which is what these "energy tokens" actually represent). I would have made fire/summer red and wind/autumn yellow. Still not perfect, but it makes a bit more sense -- at least to me.
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nbergom wrote:
Second paragraph in the OP (emphasis mine):
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Don't read to me out loud, I WILL NOT absorb anything in this manner. I need to read along or it just goes in one ear and out the other. Makes having rules explained to me difficult. Learning as I go works better, I don't mind losing a few games.. (ok, I lose a lot more than a few but it's still fun for me..)


If it looks like a haptic learner, walks like a haptic learner, and quacks like a haptic learner . . .

The actual emphasis is in the previous sentences. It looked like to me that he equaled "having the rules read out loud" with "having the rules explained". I understood that it's how his group does it and he never had rules actually explained to him.
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Card synergy. That might as well be written in a dead language because it's impossible for me to understand. Perhaps I'm just stubborn as an ox or something but learning card synergy for like EVERY GAME MADE is an exercise in futility on my part. I just don't ever get it, about as close as I can come to card synergy is the three card follows the two card and so on. Doesn't stop me from trying but man oh man I'm as sharp as a box of bowling balls when it comes to card synergy.
Amen, brother!
I always just take the cards with the least text, because they seem more straightforward to me.
 
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