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Nick Switzer
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So my my buddy from high school is getting married next month and for his bachelor party he wants to do a gaming marathon. However, there is a slight issue which is that in high school we played the base version of Risk until the copy wore out because we didn't know any better games existed. Fast forward a few years, I have gotten heavily into board gaming the last two years and the thought of playing Risk is really boring to me but the other guys still have really only been exposed to Risk and Heroscape.

My first thought was Risk Legacy but my understanding of it is that it would take more than a 12 hour session to finish and this group rarely gets together.

So what I'm looking for are suggestions for a group of 5 guys(maybe 6) most of whom don't have a lot of experience with board gaming but LOVE strategy, stabbing each other in the back (in the proverbial, friendly sense), trash talk, and proving who's the best.

I'm planning on bringing Dead of Winter which I think will go over well but I wanted to have a few options for the guys.

Thanks in advance!
 
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If you all enjoy Game of Thrones, then try A Game of Thrones: The Board Game (Second Edition)...definitely can be a lot of negotiation/backstabbing and trash talking.


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Small World
This was introduced to my group of nearly exactly the same as you decried and it was a huge hit.....you have this, what do you not like about it or why do you not think that it would be a winner?

my other suggestions that should work:
Revolution! - the only bluffing game I really enjoy, you all get delt your "money" and you secretly bid on what you want and reveal and see who gets what.
Smash Up - a different type of strategy used for this one but my friends who like risk and small world (my high conflict group) likes this too
how do you feel about the other risks:
Risk 2210 A.D. - I recently got it and think its worth your time checking out
Risk: Godstorm - about to buy it and looks just as good
...and then there is Diplomacy, try at your own risk
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Cosmic Encounter is EXACTLY what you need. An awesome negotiation game that's not too complex if you stick to green powers (although it's still just as fun!). Also, Nexus Ops is commonly known as "better Risk", and it certainly deserves the title, so it may be a good one as well.
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Its not a board game and its nothing like risk but, I would say try out The Red Dragon Inn or any of it's expansions. Lots of player interaction, backstabbing and room for trash talking. Although for 5 people you would need at least two games or one game with some character add-ons.
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If you have six, you should pick up Struggle of Empires. It's amazing with 5, 6, or 7 players. The alliance mechanic would be perfect for your group.

For a maximum 5 players, check out Kemet. Its mechanisms are purely Euro, but the game is all about the attack. You absolutely can't sit back and watch others battle here. The VPs you get from winning attacks are too critical for a win. Fantastic game.
 
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I second the Cosmic Encounter recommendation (although get one of the expansions that brings it up to 6 players if you think you might need it) but I'd also like to suggest Keyflower (plays 6) for it's amazing mash up of mechanics that you can really stick it to your opponents and Chinatown (plays 5 but could play 6 with a variant) for its simple but engrossing negotiations that can be very cutthroat.
 
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If you want some lighter fare, maybe check out Survive: Escape from Atlantis! with the expansion. Or wait for Survive: Space Attack! + expansion.

Another one that might work but it much longer and heavier is Dominant Species.
 
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Some light games:

Condottiere

Saboteur

BANG!
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Focusing on the thread keywords:
+1 for A Game of Thrones: The Board Game (Second Edition)
+1 for Diplomacy (but you need A LOT of time)
some doubts about Dead of Winter: brilliant game and may involve betrayal, but it's mainly a cooperative game.
-1 for Kemet and Dominant Species. Can't get the backstabbing/betrayal part.

Consider Fief: France 1429 as a viable (and much shorter) substitute for Diplomacy. Sooner or later, you definitely WILL betray someone if you play "seriusly". And blood will spill cool I don't know any other game allowing a full backstab to an ally in the middle of a battle. Despicable. Fun cool
 
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Nothing Personal plays to five and actively encourages deal making/breaking.

Trash talking and lying (and a break from the longer stuff) can be serviced by The Resistance/Avalon or, for even quicker fixes, One Night Ultimate Werewolf.
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1) +1 Game of Thrones
2) +1 Small World (easier teach to new players than GoT)
3)Resistance (purely social deduction and arguing but definitely involves betrayal and back stabbing).
4) Spyfall (same reason as Resistance)
5) Battlestar Galactica
 
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Dune.

Playing it this thursday for the first time since college, and looking forward to all kinds of underhanded activities.
 
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How about something like One Night Ultimate Werewolf and The Resistance: Avalon to add in to the mix during your marathon.
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Illuminati: Deluxe Edition,

https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/91267/fun-game-backstabbing....

You need a thick skin to play this, enough said.
 
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Small World and Cosmic are already in the bag, just forgot to mention them Also, as I'm addicted to the hobby, any chance to buy something new is welcomed! And the only reason I'm leaving off AGOTtBG is because I somehow lost two Lannister raid tokens and I'm still waiting on them to come in from FFG.
 
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Sons of Anarchy: Men of Mayhem with the Sons of Anarchy: Men of Mayhem – Calaveras Club Expansion expansion. Plenty of trash talk, negotiation, stabbing and cheap online.
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danamark wrote:


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Spartacus: A Game of Blood & Treachery + Spartacus: The Serpents and the Wolf Expansion Set (needed for 5-6 players)

Lots of negotiation, bribery, and backstabbing in this game. And when it comes to trash talk and proving who's best, how better than gladiatorial combat? devil
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No matter what you go for...

Make sure you know the rules inside out. Lots of pressure on you.

Good luck! whistle
 
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Diplomacy is probably the obvious option. That whole game is centered around making alliances and knowing when to break them. It does take some time, though, and the combat system isn't exactly intuitive.

I have yet to play this game, but it sounds like Cosmic Encounter might be exactly what you're looking for.

And you could always just take Risk a step up and play a more complicated version. Risk 2210 A.D. is my favorite.
 
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