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So now that the deal is done, finally. What do you all think?
Good bad?
Good for us, good for Iran?
Bad for us, bad for Iran?
Good or bad for anyone else?
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Good for the international community, good for stability in the Middle East, and good for Iran.
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jmilum wrote:
Good for the international community, good for stability in the Middle East, and good for Iran.


Why?
 
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TheDashi wrote:
jmilum wrote:
Good for the international community, good for stability in the Middle East, and good for Iran.


Why?


Because without the deal there were essentially 2 options.

1)no deal at all, no action taken. Iran continues development of nukes.

2)no deal at all, US sends in airstrikes, further destabilizing an allready pooched region. US troops deployed, US soldiers killed, and likely giving militants more cohesion and painting us as big targets again instead of them shooting each other over there like they are now.

Now, what congress does will play a,big part going forward too.

It's good for Iran because it lifts sanctions and gives them an opportunity to show they can play nice.
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TheDashi wrote:
jmilum wrote:
Good for the international community, good for stability in the Middle East, and good for Iran.


Why?

I think diplomacy is preferable to war and that all diplomatic routes need to be exhausted first. Is the deal prefect? No, of course not. No deal is ever perfect. But I do think it reduces the likelihood of Iran creating a nuke in the next 15-20 years.

If Iran cheats on the deal, we will be able to find out and put sanctions back in place.
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Shadrach wrote:
TheDashi wrote:
jmilum wrote:
Good for the international community, good for stability in the Middle East, and good for Iran.


Why?


Because without the deal there were essentially 2 options.

1)no deal at all, no action taken. Iran continues development of nukes.

2)no deal at all, US sends in airstrikes, further destabilizing an allready pooched region. US troops deployed, US soldiers killed, and likely giving militants more cohesion and painting us as big targets again instead of them shooting each other over there like they are now.

Now, what congress does will play a,big part going forward too.

It's good for Iran because it lifts sanctions and gives them an opportunity to show they can play nice.


They're not behaving similar to someone who intends to play nice. They're just buying more time. We've seen this pattern before. The first time we try to verify in a way that they're not prepared for (ie no time to hide the fact that they're breaking the deal) the inspectors will be turned away.
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Shadrach wrote:
TheDashi wrote:
jmilum wrote:
Good for the international community, good for stability in the Middle East, and good for Iran.


Why?


Because without the deal there were essentially 2 options.

1)no deal at all, no action taken. Iran continues development of nukes.

2)no deal at all, US sends in airstrikes, further destabilizing an allready pooched region. US troops deployed, US soldiers killed, and likely giving militants more cohesion and painting us as big targets again instead of them shooting each other over there like they are now.

Now, what congress does will play a,big part going forward too.

It's good for Iran because it lifts sanctions and gives them an opportunity to show they can play nice.


3. more sanctions
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ejmowrer wrote:

They're not behaving similar to someone who intends to play nice.


How do you figure?
 
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TheChin! wrote:
ejmowrer wrote:

They're not behaving similar to someone who intends to play nice.


How do you figure?


Death to America....
Ring a bell?
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TheChin! wrote:
ejmowrer wrote:

They're not behaving similar to someone who intends to play nice.


How do you figure?


It's obvious if you listen to Khamenei for 5 seconds.
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TheDashi wrote:
TheChin! wrote:
ejmowrer wrote:

They're not behaving similar to someone who intends to play nice.


How do you figure?


Death to America....
Ring a bell?

So what do you think about the deal and why?
 
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TheDashi wrote:
TheChin! wrote:
ejmowrer wrote:

They're not behaving similar to someone who intends to play nice.


How do you figure?


Death to America....
Ring a bell?


Yeah, but I don't take that as a position statement from their current government.
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TheChin! wrote:
TheDashi wrote:
TheChin! wrote:
ejmowrer wrote:

They're not behaving similar to someone who intends to play nice.


How do you figure?


Death to America....
Ring a bell?


Yeah, but I don't take that as a position statement from their current government.


http://nypost.com/2015/03/23/irans-supreme-leader-screams-de...
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ejmowrer wrote:

It's obvious if you listen to Khamenei for 5 seconds.


Of course, because he is has to mollify the conservatives. He can say anything he wants, but once the money starts flowing after sanctions are lifted then the conservatives will need less stroking as they start to value the immediate, tangible benefits of ties to the west over intangible ego stroking of having nukes.

That's why the Supreme Leader talks to the people and the President (Rouhani) does the diplomacy. If the President had to compromise with the west AND attempt to justify it with hardliners he wouldn't keep his job let alone get meaningful agreements signed. It's all part of the diplomatic game they are playing with us and their own people. In the end, the hope is that the carrot will make them forget about trying to get their own stick. We just have to get them to taste the carrot first.
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TheDashi wrote:


See post above
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TheChin! wrote:


Yeah, choosing to ignore certain things allows you to think whatever you want.
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TheDashi wrote:

Yeah, choosing to ignore certain things allows you to think whatever you want.


Think about how many Americans have actually had Death brought to them at Iranian hands after close to 35 years of the sentiment and you would see that there is little more than posturing going on.

You seriously think if the Supreme Leader took the whole "Death to" spiel serious he would he even let Rouhani talk to the west? This is real life, it has a little more complexity than "The Axis Of Evil vs. The Great Satan", that is all Circus talk for the plebes.
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mutton javelin1 wrote:
Shadrach wrote:
TheDashi wrote:
jmilum wrote:
Good for the international community, good for stability in the Middle East, and good for Iran.


Why?


Because without the deal there were essentially 2 options.

1)no deal at all, no action taken. Iran continues development of nukes.

2)no deal at all, US sends in airstrikes, further destabilizing an allready pooched region. US troops deployed, US soldiers killed, and likely giving militants more cohesion and painting us as big targets again instead of them shooting each other over there like they are now.

Now, what congress does will play a,big part going forward too.

It's good for Iran because it lifts sanctions and gives them an opportunity to show they can play nice.


3. more sanctions


Which sanctions? Unilateral? The international will isn't there for it. The current sanctions haven't stopped them so far, and they have zero incntives to not develop a bomb.
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TheChin! wrote:
TheDashi wrote:

Yeah, choosing to ignore certain things allows you to think whatever you want.


Think about how many Americans have actually had Death brought to them at Iranian hands after close to 35 years of the sentiment and you would see that there is little more than posturing going on.

You seriously think if the Supreme Leader took the whole "Death to" spiel serious he would he even let Rouhani talk to the west? This is real life, it has a little more complexity than "The Axis Of Evil vs. The Great Satan", that is all Circus talk for the plebes.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_and_state-sponsored_terro...
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jmilum wrote:
Good for the international community, good for stability in the Middle East, and good for Iran.

You really believe that, don't you? LOL
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Hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee
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Drew1365 wrote:
 

Perhaps if the U.S. had kept to its side of that deal, the DPRK would have as well.
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whac3 wrote:
jmilum wrote:
Good for the international community, good for stability in the Middle East, and good for Iran.

You really believe that, don't you? LOL

Yes...
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This is somewhat surprising also.....

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/07/14/do-not-forget-them-a...
 
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Why the Iran Deal Makes Obama's Critics So Angry
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