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Little Idiot
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I had the 'epic' bundle so I had 96 British Infantry to deal with. I lost 14...

In general, this strategy works best:

1. Use Sprue cutters
2. For each bayonet guy clip the attachment to the bayonet first with the flat end of the cutter facing the rifle.
3. Then clip the rest

There are two pesky fellows (7 and 11 on the sprue guide) that defy this strategy though



The one on the top row (after some experimenting) requires that the other attachments are clipped first and then the bayonet is cut with an exacto knife. After trying this method I got 3 done without mishap.
The one of the other row defies me. I tried several methods and lost all but one.
I had several other mishaps that were down to me not concentrating.

EDIT: I should add that my model making experience is 'OK'. I put together the Samurai Battles minis without mishap (same hard plastic) and full Carthaginian and Roman 1/72 armies for C&C Ancients.
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OMG. Much as this game attracts me, the fact that so many posts are devoted to complaining about the "punching" of the pieces or the "strategy" for doing so has definitely put me off looking for a copy (which appears to be another chore here in the US). I don't know how many share my unwillingness to fiddle with this stuff, but It's really too bad. I actually gave away the Samurai game when I realized you had to assemble the little toy soldiers, and that was after foolishly buying several extra boxes of figures before realizing what they were. One of my colleagues volunteered to assemble several boxes and had to deal with many broken spears. I ended up giving him the game after all his hard work.

Yes, I am a lazy boardgamer, not a minis guy. I won't even cut counter corners. I want my games playable with minimal fuss and feathers. Wah wah!

I got all I Needed from Marco's video when he explained why he didn't use the minis!

Glad the rest of you are enjoying. Maybe if I could buy the components less the minis I would consider giving it a shot, but I don't see that happening. I guess I will just have to miss out.

Take care

Poor Peter
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Thanks for the close-up photo. I can see that I'll be using a de-banded (blade only) X-acto saw for some removals. A fine-edged file might work as a saw in tight spaces.

It's a pity the sprue attachments weren't thought out more thoroughly, but I do like the 15mm minis (wish "M'44" had gone this route) and the hard plastic (makes both painting and repairs easy).

And visually, the soldiers on the board will look like troops on a battlefield, not large symbols representing military units.

It is a GAME from a miniature plastic wargaming soldier manufacturer; I'm just glad they published it. I hope it soon sees distribution in the US.

I also hope I soon get my copy (one with the epic package add-ons)!
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peterperla wrote:
OMG. Much as this game attracts me, the fact that so many posts are devoted to complaining about the "punching" of the pieces or the "strategy" for doing so has definitely put me off looking for a copy (which appears to be another chore here in the US). I don't know how many share my unwillingness to fiddle with this stuff, but It's really too bad. I actually gave away the Samurai game when I realized you had to assemble the little toy soldiers, and that was after foolishly buying several extra boxes of figures before realizing what they were. One of my colleagues volunteered to assemble several boxes and had to deal with many broken spears. I ended up giving him the game after all his hard work.

Yes, I am a lazy boardgamer, not a minis guy. I won't even cut counter corners. I want my games playable with minimal fuss and feathers. Wah wah!

I got all I Needed from Marco's video when he explained why he didn't use the minis!

Glad the rest of you are enjoying. Maybe if I could buy the components less the minis I would consider giving it a shot, but I don't see that happening. I guess I will just have to miss out.

Take care

Poor Peter


Peter,
Since your friend got the Samurai game from you, ask him to do this one for you. It won't take him long and you'll have a GREAT GAME. Don't miss out!!!
 
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Didn't loose one of mine, sat under the aircon on heat about 24c and let the sprues warm up and then cut them with sprue cutters, all good
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HEAT! This firmly puts me in the 'OK' camp of mini construction. Noted.
 
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Snipped ze' Germans last night. All good but for one machine gunner that I was a bit zealous with regarding the peg.

Assembling the machine gunners - Germans need glue, British do not. One British body has gone AWOL.

I have not made a good account of myself on this task! 16 casualties!

Looks like I will be spending my voucher on a British Infantry sprue!

I will leave the artillery for the weekend.

I intend to play the 1st scenario at NYC Board Game night on Friday. Will report!
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Flaminfireman wrote:
Didn't loose one of mine, sat under the aircon on heat about 24c and let the sprues warm up and then cut them with sprue cutters, all good
Hmmm...that's only about 75F. It's about 31C outdoors here...I could lay the spruce on the driveway for a couple minutes to warm it up Great idea though...would warm water work as well?
 
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I don't get it. I'm far from a super plastic model maker but I lost just 2 bayonets which where easily fixed with some glue. The 2 I lost was right at the beginning and I blame my 1st technique for that. As soon as I just used the cutters to clip the bayonets last I made good time and there where no more casualties.

When you clip the bayonets last the whole figure can move so you put less stress on the plastic. Maybe it's down to the quality of the clippers. I used a fairly new Faller clipper that was small enough to access the more difficult parts.
 
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boshar wrote:
I don't get it. I'm far from a super plastic model maker but I lost just 2 bayonets which where easily fixed with some glue. The 2 I lost was right at the beginning and I blame my 1st technique for that. As soon as I just used the cutters to clip the bayonets last I made good time and there where no more casualties.

When you clip the bayonets last the whole figure can move so you put less stress on the plastic. Maybe it's down to the quality of the clippers. I used a fairly new Faller clipper that was small enough to access the more difficult parts.
Hmmmm...and others are saying to clip the bayonet first...I'm really getting turned around here cry
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MayorJim wrote:
Hmmmm...and others are saying to clip the bayonet first...I'm really getting turned around here cry


My strategy was based on empirical evidence. I looked online and didn't see any advice one way or another.

I've been scratching my head about the mechanics of either way but it's been 24 years since I got my Physics degree...

Does the tension increase as you clip attachments or decrease? I'm not sure.
 
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I found that clipping the figure first then bayonet last is the best strategy for me. I have been using a Xuron Micro-Shear side cutter, cutting flat side down. Lost about four bayonets before I found this technique. Hope everyone is having success cutting out those Tommies. Looking forward to playing the game this weekend against my wargaming pal Tom P.
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My damage report -

- Six bayonets
- Cooling unit from one of the British machine guns
- Arms from two German bombers
- In addition to this, the legs had already snapped off three British reserve artillery figures before I even opened the box

I used sprue cutters... I've done Space Hulk 4th edition and Samurai Battles before and only lost two spears from the latter. This is by far the worst experience I've had cutting out miniatures. The Samurai Battles minis were much more delicate but I think Zvezda's sprue attachments were better thought-out.
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Grrrrrr......

Very disappointing - expected better from a specialist plastic soldier manufacturer.

I think the best advice is to be as gentle and exact as you can - use very sharp cutters - and when one breaks, trim it down and treat it as a bit of extra variety of poses - I have a number of British troopers without bayonets but once the gun barrel is trimmed they look fine.

+1 for bigger minis - I think Days of Wonder got the size spot on - these seem a little small and light - just makes it seem a bit more fiddly when moving them around.

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You also need to be very careful of the German bomber's grenade hand - very brittle - I will be gluing one and another is destined to be "'armless" after it spiralled up into the air and landed, I know not where!


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garypgary wrote:
Grrrrrr......

Very disappointing - expected better from a specialist plastic soldier manufacturer.

I think the best advice is to be as gentle and exact as you can - use very sharp cutters - and when one breaks, trim it down and treat it as a bit of extra variety of poses - I have a number of British troopers without bayonets but once the gun barrel is trimmed they look fine.

+1 for bigger minis - I think Days of Wonder got the size spot on - these seem a little small and light - just makes it seem a bit more fiddly when moving them around.



I agree. I have cut countless 1/72 plastic soldiers from sprues and have never had a difficult a time as I have had with the cutting out the British soldiers.

I've also been doing a bunch of plastic military models recently, and I've never had such a problem with seeing a plastic piece so clearly weaken (as evidenced by part of the bayonet turning lighter in color) when I cut a sprue gate (the thin part of the sprue where piece is attached to the sprue) as I've seen with Great War.

I've tried two different types of sprue cutters and I can still see the bayonet weaken, whether I cut it first or last. Also, if any portion of the sprue gate is left on the gun, I am worried about trying to sand it off, because the bayonet is so fragile.

Plus, because there are two sprue gates for each base and the pieces and their respective bases are so small, not all of the pieces stand right, because there are still pieces of the sprue gates on the bottom.

The infantry pieces are disappointing in just about every conceivable way.

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peterperla wrote:
OMG. Much as this game attracts me, the fact that so many posts are devoted to complaining about the "punching" of the pieces or the "strategy" for doing so has definitely put me off looking for a copy (which appears to be another chore here in the US). I don't know how many share my unwillingness to fiddle with this stuff, but It's really too bad. I actually gave away the Samurai game when I realized you had to assemble the little toy soldiers, and that was after foolishly buying several extra boxes of figures before realizing what they were. One of my colleagues volunteered to assemble several boxes and had to deal with many broken spears. I ended up giving him the game after all his hard work.

Yes, I am a lazy boardgamer, not a minis guy. I won't even cut counter corners. I want my games playable with minimal fuss and feathers. Wah wah!

I got all I Needed from Marco's video when he explained why he didn't use the minis!

Glad the rest of you are enjoying. Maybe if I could buy the components less the minis I would consider giving it a shot, but I don't see that happening. I guess I will just have to miss out.

Take care

Poor Peter


Peter,

I wouldn't worry too much.


I purchased two Kickstarter copies. But unless Plastic Soldier fixes the problems with the pieces, I think this game is doomed to failure in the marketplace. The difficulty in cutting out the pieces is totally unacceptable for a game in 2015.

Also, the pieces are so small that I think it will be more difficult to play Great War than Memoir '44. So I don't feel there is much of a payoff for the trouble it takes to cut the pieces from the sprue.

Mark
 
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