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This is awesome....

http://dailyheadlines.net/2015/07/bartender-receives-a-no-ti...#

If I KNEW by law the person serving me was making 15 dollars an hour, I probably wouldn't want to leave a tip either....
 
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The cards are a pretty dick move. I'm not totally unsympathetic to his position, though I don't think it's particularly well informed (because employers can use tips and health benefit costs to meet the minimum wage requirements). But in general I just can't get on board with a passive aggressive dick move like that.
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The cards are a pretty dick move. I'm not totally unsympathetic to his position, though I don't think it's particularly well informed (because employers can use tips and health benefit costs to meet the minimum wage requirements). But in general I just can't get on board with a passive aggressive dick move like that.


Ignoring the card.....
Would you tip if you knew they were making at least 15 an hour?
 
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If a person is making $15/hour then there's no reason to tip. We spend less, they make more. You're right for a change. That would be awesome. It sounds like it will be pretty nice in Seattle in another seven years when that law goes into effect.
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TheDashi wrote:
damiangerous wrote:
The cards are a pretty dick move. I'm not totally unsympathetic to his position, though I don't think it's particularly well informed (because employers can use tips and health benefit costs to meet the minimum wage requirements). But in general I just can't get on board with a passive aggressive dick move like that.


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Would you tip if you knew they were making at least 15 an hour?

It depends on a lot of things. The actual dollar amount isn't really one of them. Tipping outside of workers with wage exceptions is more of a societal custom than anything. I don't generally tip for counter service when they put out those tip jars. I will tip if someone does a job that in my totally arbitrary opinion deserves it and they are a group that can accept tips (like a delivery person). I will tend to err on the side of tipping, but I also tend to avoid non-restaurant situations in which tipping is customary.

If bartenders were a type of employee that received a wage exception for tips I would continue to tip them regardless of the absolute dollar amount involved. If bartenders were mandated to be paid the same as any non-tipped employee I would probably tip a lot less, though I don't know because I would be uncomfortable with that at first.
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would you tip if you knew their making over 15 an hour WITH tips
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Minimum wage is minimum wage. You can't pay people less than that.

There's also a minimum wage that has to come from employers.

If the tips don't make the difference between the hourly wage of the employee and the minimum wage per the law, then the employer has to make up the difference.

So there's no real reason to tip if a person is not going to make enough tips to get to the minimum wage - it just means money from your pocket is going to the employer's pocket.
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I tip cab drivers, even though I suspect (based on my fare) that they're making a decent amount.

I tip bartenders outside the US, even when tipping isn't customary.

I tip. I don't view it as a political issue. To paraphrase John Hodgman, nobody's ever gone broke from tipping too much.
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Jythier wrote:
Minimum wage is minimum wage. You can't pay people less than that.

There's also a minimum wage that has to come from employers.

If the tips don't make the difference between the hourly wage of the employee and the minimum wage per the law, then the employer has to make up the difference.

So there's no real reason to tip if a person is not going to make enough tips to get to the minimum wage - it just means money from your pocket is going to the employer's pocket.


This isn't quite right. In some places (it at least used to be) you could pay less than minimum wages for jobs that got tips.

In WA and OR, where I've spent most of my years, this is not the case and wait staff, etc *always* made at least minimum wage.


Knowing that, we tipped anyways.
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damiangerous wrote:
The cards are a pretty dick move. I'm not totally unsympathetic to his position, though I don't think it's particularly well informed (because employers can use tips and health benefit costs to meet the minimum wage requirements). But in general I just can't get on board with a passive aggressive dick move like that.


And I want to reinforce this post.

That card is a SERIOUS dick move. Like, what the hell.
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When minimum wage is 6.50, your tip is likely to put them over.

And, then it's not really a minimum wage anymore, if you don't have to pay your employees that.
 
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If I was paying more already for the food due to the increased wages, then I would definitely reconsider tipping and only tip if the service was truly amazing. (Basically, the situations where I would consider tipping over 20% for normally)
 
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Jay:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tipped_wage_in_the_United_Stat...

There are states where the minimum for tipped workers is $2.13 an hour.

There's a different minimum wage for tipped workers in a fair portion of the country.

EDIT:

Noting that Washington state, where this story happened, is NOT one of the states where that's the case.
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windsagio wrote:
damiangerous wrote:
The cards are a pretty dick move. I'm not totally unsympathetic to his position, though I don't think it's particularly well informed (because employers can use tips and health benefit costs to meet the minimum wage requirements). But in general I just can't get on board with a passive aggressive dick move like that.


And I want to reinforce this post.

That card is a SERIOUS dick move. Like, what the hell.


It pretty much goes into the "what the fuck is wrong with you" file.

Just what everybody wants: a hopped-up libertarian religious tract in lieu of a few bucks - to buy the beer needed to drink away this tripe.

Tip, or don't. Whatever. But don't leave a smarmy card where someone's working.
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TheDashi wrote:
damiangerous wrote:
The cards are a pretty dick move. I'm not totally unsympathetic to his position, though I don't think it's particularly well informed (because employers can use tips and health benefit costs to meet the minimum wage requirements). But in general I just can't get on board with a passive aggressive dick move like that.


Ignoring the card.....
Would you tip if you knew they were making at least 15 an hour?


I probably would out of a feeling of social obligation. But I don't want to.

There's a pretty good Freakonomics podcast about banning tipping... let me see if I can find it...

http://freakonomics.com/2013/06/03/should-tipping-be-banned-...

I found it very persuasive.

It might be a little jarring as a conservative -- though the book is from a conservative economist -- as they describe tipping as inherently racist, because people tip black people less than white people (as measured in dollars.) And people say systemic racism doesn't exist, haha. Regardless, the point of the podcast is that tipping should be banned. I wish they had a transcript, but, no luck.

Interesting link between tipping and corruption:

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I would/do. I'm willing to pay extra in order to build rapport with my bartender.
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Ilthuain wrote:
I would/do. I'm willing to pay extra in order to build rapport with my bartender.


That's a good point. If you're a regular it pays off, too.
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windsagio wrote:
Jay:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tipped_wage_in_the_United_Stat...

There are states where the minimum for tipped workers is $2.13 an hour.

There's a different minimum wage for tipped workers in a fair portion of the country.

EDIT:

Noting that Washington state, where this story happened, is NOT one of the states where that's the case.


It says, very clearly, right on that Wikipedia page, that the employers are required to make up the difference to the minimum wage.
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Jythier wrote:
windsagio wrote:
Jay:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tipped_wage_in_the_United_Stat...

There are states where the minimum for tipped workers is $2.13 an hour.

There's a different minimum wage for tipped workers in a fair portion of the country.

EDIT:

Noting that Washington state, where this story happened, is NOT one of the states where that's the case.


It says, very clearly, right on that Wikipedia page, that the employers are required to make up the difference to the minimum wage.


Due to the nature of tips (and the degree to which cash tips are unreported) that rule is both very difficult to enforce and widely ignored.

In 'tipped wages' states income for tipped workers is wildly unstable from day to day, and from week to week, and even seasonally.

A bad tip day/week can be pretty disasterous.
 
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CapNClassic wrote:
Ishtar just be pocketing and not reporting to the IRS)


Dustin Hoffman be like, this is the federal minimum, jackass, and Warren Beatty be like, yeah bitch you're making way more than that with tips so don't be frontin', and then Dustin Hoffman be like what are we doing making a bugged shitty musical out in the desert, yo

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CapNClassic wrote:
windsagio wrote:
Jay:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tipped_wage_in_the_United_Stat...

There are states where the minimum for tipped workers is $2.13 an hour.

There's a different minimum wage for tipped workers in a fair portion of the country.

EDIT:

Noting that Washington state, where this story happened, is NOT one of the states where that's the case.
http://www.dol.gov/whd/state/tipped.htm
so, there are only 6 states with the. I imam federal tip rate of 2.13 an hour. The vast majority are making at least 7.25 an hour.

It's about time we did away with customary tipping. I know a hotel manager that tells me his cleaning maids make easily $15 an hour or more with the tips that they actually claim (let alone, the cash they. Ishtar just be pocketing and not reporting to the IRS)


One of my friends plays lots of poker and stopped tipping dealers because he feels it should be the responsibility of the casino to pay the deals and because it cut his margin too much when playing.

(an aside: He also said it had a positive side effect - other players would actually want to take all his money and played more aggressively towards him because he wouldn't tip the dealer)
 
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windsagio wrote:
Ilthuain wrote:
I would/do. I'm willing to pay extra in order to build rapport with my bartender.


That's a good point. If you're a regular it pays off, too.

Hells to the yeah.

Back when I was younger, a bar near by had an entrance fee and an open bar. Essentially $20 for the night and all your drinks included. The trick is they only have one bartender. Got there early with a buddy and ordered a few rounds. Every so often we gave the bartender a couple of bucks. Later, when the place was packed and they were four deep to the bar one of us would just catch his eye. On weaselling through the crowd our drinks would be there for us.

Good times, indeed, and worth the small amount of extra cash.
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windsagio wrote:
Jythier wrote:
windsagio wrote:
Jay:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tipped_wage_in_the_United_Stat...

There are states where the minimum for tipped workers is $2.13 an hour.

There's a different minimum wage for tipped workers in a fair portion of the country.

EDIT:

Noting that Washington state, where this story happened, is NOT one of the states where that's the case.


It says, very clearly, right on that Wikipedia page, that the employers are required to make up the difference to the minimum wage.


Due to the nature of tips (and the degree to which cash tips are unreported) that rule is both very difficult to enforce and widely ignored.

In 'tipped wages' states income for tipped workers is wildly unstable from day to day, and from week to week, and even seasonally.

A bad tip day/week can be pretty disasterous.


Well, I do hope you're not taking away from this that I don't tip or something.

I like rewarding waitstaff. And moreover, usually we've left such a mess that we throw in a couple EXTRA bucks over the 20% to account for having to clean up after us.

We don't eat out very often though. We did the past week but my Dad was covering my expenses for a vacation for the family to see him.
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CapNClassic wrote:
windsagio wrote:
Jay:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tipped_wage_in_the_United_Stat...

There are states where the minimum for tipped workers is $2.13 an hour.

There's a different minimum wage for tipped workers in a fair portion of the country.

EDIT:

Noting that Washington state, where this story happened, is NOT one of the states where that's the case.
http://www.dol.gov/whd/state/tipped.htm
so, there are only 6 states with the. I imam federal tip rate of 2.13 an hour. The vast majority are making at least 7.25 an hour.

It's about time we did away with customary tipping. I know a hotel manager that tells me his cleaning maids make easily $15 an hour or more with the tips that they actually claim (let alone, the cash they. Ishtar just be pocketing and not reporting to the IRS)


Lord forbid we do something nice for someone who's doing us a service.
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windsagio wrote:
Ilthuain wrote:
I would/do. I'm willing to pay extra in order to build rapport with my bartender.


That's a good point. If you're a regular it pays off, too.

Hells to the yeah.

Back when I was younger, a bar near by had an entrance fee and an open bar. Essentially $20 for the night and all your drinks included. The trick is they only have one bartender. Got there early with a buddy and ordered a few rounds. Every so often we gave the bartender a couple of bucks. Later, when the place was packed and they were four deep to the bar one of us would just catch his eye. On weaselling through the crowd our drinks would be there for us.

Good times, indeed, and worth the small amount of extra cash.


One time I went to a restaurant near my work and didn't really have the cash to tip, so I made it up on the next one. It's always the same waitress and I wouldn't want her to stop serving me.
 
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