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Gary Tanner
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To me, there are a lot of similarities between the two. Is anyone aware of any comparison and contrast that may have been written on Jackson and Rommel?

No arguing, please, it's not to glorify or to cast doubt on either, just a curiosity.
 
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I'm surprised you find them similar. Short of the obvious, rank, profession, etc., what brings the two together for you?

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they both died during the war and it wasn't because of enemy fire?

Don't see that much similarity either. Both where brilliant agressive commanders but that can be said about a lot of people when you look at history.
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Well, I don't know about comparing him to Jackson but this book postulates an interesting relationship between Rommel and Nathan Bedford Forrest.

http://www.amazon.com/Rommel-Rebel-Paperback-October-1992/dp...

I read it years ago and thought it was a good light read. It presupposes that the reader is both a military history lover and also a sci-fi/fantasy nerd.

And check out that cover!! Can you imagine the duel hub bub that thing would cause today in our PC world?!

(sorry that I'm too dumb to know how to post a proper link)
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It is an apt comparison. Both were operational geniuses and keen on rapid maneuve in the face of a larger, but plodding foe.
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LgRangeContactPatrol wrote:
It is an apt comparison. Both were operational geniuses and keen on rapid manoeuvre in the face of a larger, but plodding foe.


I guess to a degree this is inevitable. If you are more mobile then you will use this mobility to gain advantage. The very same British, who presumably are the plodding foe of you Rommel example, were the same force that used manoeuvre with spectacular results against the Italians (that years plodding foe) immediately previous to Rommel's appearance.

Whilst I'm an admirer of both Generals, I would contend the terms are relative - one mans plodding foe is another mans agile enemy, and thus Jackson & Rommel made use of their relative advantage given the prevailing circumstances. Maybe if the roles were reversed the approach would have been different.

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If I get some more time (at work right now) I'll post more, and probably come across clearer but..

Both were known for moving troops quicker than expected

They had similar command styles, often directly commanding troops instead of letting their subordinates command their own units

They were both disliked by their subordinates (for that and other reasons)

Both operated independently, for the most part, away from the shadow of the overall command

Both felt they were doing what was right and fighting for good men (until the end, Rommel never doubted Hitler for a moment, even when seeing things that would make anyone question)
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MilesF wrote:
Both felt they were doing what was right and fighting for good men (until the end, Rommel never doubted Hitler for a moment, even when seeing things that would make anyone question)


By "the end" do you mean 1944, or when he was forced to commit suicide for suspected involvement in the 20 July plot?
 
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dalestephenson wrote:
MilesF wrote:
Both felt they were doing what was right and fighting for good men (until the end, Rommel never doubted Hitler for a moment, even when seeing things that would make anyone question)


By "the end" do you mean 1944, or when he was forced to commit suicide for suspected involvement in the 20 July plot?


1944.
 
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I was reading up on the Loring issue last night actually, but one incident doesn't change the overall style of the two. Your last paragraph has nothing to do with anything I've said and I haven't in any way implied those things. And as noted in the original post, not looking for arguments, was asking if anyone was aware of a compare/contrast that may have been written about the two.
 
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Rommel was the better tactician of the two. Jackson was excellent at getting his forces to move for him, but had trouble with the tactical arts. I also believe that Rommel was equally good at getting his men moving. I think Rommel had trouble logistically. In Rommel's case he can thank both the RN and Dolphy boy.

 
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Rommel was definitely more innovative. He is still used as the example of the tactician-general. Stonewall was more strategic in his mindset and really more influential in his own army's structure.
 
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