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Subject: So what's going on with the Charlie Awards? rss

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Nothing since 2012... Are they no more?

Apologies if this has already been discussed... I did look around a bit but didn't see anything that looked like official communication.
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Wow. I never realized they shut down. They honored pretty good stuff, and were the best wargame awards that I was aware of. What happened?

What other wargame awards are out there? Is the best award we have left really the Golden Geek for Best Wargame? Certainly there must be something else that can recognize the best games in our slice of the hobby.
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They were pretty much a joke at the end. Since the primary force running them was a publisher, and they relied on volunteering information to get the nomination lists made, they were woefully incomplete. There was an attempt to borrow BGG data in the last year or two but that meant gigantic lists with no context. Considering the paucity of votes, the results were representative of nothing in particular.

The Charlies were well past their prime and for my part they won't be missed. Gone are the days when an award meant anything for wargames other than some insular small-pond back-patting.
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Too true Scott, I never got one either!!

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ltmurnau wrote:
Too true Scott, I never got one either!!

Brian


I did.

NanananaNaaaa! laugh
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ltmurnau wrote:
Too true Scott, I never got one either!!

LOL, my shelves are too full anyway!
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Probably would be more effective if it limited the awards to just Best Wargame of the Year with 1 runner-up.

It seems like it had so many categories to fill every game that was published would get some award.
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Who cares ? They ceased to have any sort of meaning years ago due to low voter turnout coupled with the sheer number of games being published these days.
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I miss them. While they may have been mismanaged at the end, the idea behind them is still valid: recognizing outstanding accomplishments in our hobby.

I hope they again live some day in name as well as meaning.
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sdiberar wrote:
They were pretty much a joke at the end. Since the primary force running them was a publisher, and they relied on volunteering information to get the nomination lists made, they were woefully incomplete. There was an attempt to borrow BGG data in the last year or two but that meant gigantic lists with no context. Considering the paucity of votes, the results were representative of nothing in particular.

The Charlies were well past their prime and for my part they won't be missed. Gone are the days when an award meant anything for wargames other than some insular small-pond back-patting.


All things must pass, but I do not think the tribe is better for its passing.

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Hmmmm, maybe the BGG Wargame forum should do our own...
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I enjoyed voting for the games I found to be good and for people I felt deserving of recognition. (For the last 2 I voted for John Young for the Clausewitz.) Didn't know the awards were plagued by low turnout. Of course to be truly meaningful each voter would have to be familiar with each published game just as the Oscars "require" viewing each film-- simply impossible. Still, I liked the Charlies.
 
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ryanking wrote:
Hmmmm, maybe the BGG Wargame forum should do our own...


We could have the Roger Awards.
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leroy43 wrote:
ryanking wrote:
Hmmmm, maybe the BGG Wargame forum should do our own...


We could have the Roger Awards.

I thought the idea was to give awards for wargames, not rogering... ;-)
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leroy43 wrote:
ryanking wrote:
Hmmmm, maybe the BGG Wargame forum should do our own...


We could have the Roger Awards.


I'll Roger that!
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Plus we have the Blue Chazza and Black Whazza; now recognised as the true voice of wargaming awards.
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ryanking wrote:
Hmmmm, maybe the BGG Wargame forum should do our own...


It's not that hard to do and a lot of fun - I ran one on Usenet for 10 years.

The trick is to not go through a long and boring nomination process, but allow every game published within a particular year to participate and go straight to the voting.

1 man, 3 votes - 1st gets 5 points, 2nd gets 3 points, 3rd gets 1 point

I then put all the votes in a spreadsheet which automatically tallied and ranked all games. A golden, silver and bronze logo was then awarded.

What got the publishers interested was that logo - it got put on websites and boxes - in return we got free games to raffle.

For an example : http://www.panthergames.com/ - has won 3 of them over the years

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ryanking wrote:
Hmmmm, maybe the BGG Wargame forum should do our own...


Why don't we give every wargame an award?

Think of it as a Participation Trophy.

Such awards would have the same significance (and value) as the results of an internet poll.

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Charles Vasey wrote:
Plus we have the Blue Chazza and Black Whazza; now recognised as the true voice of wargaming awards.


Or as I fondly call them the

Empire Strikes Back Awards
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I think what happens in the absence of formal awards recognition is, well, just as much recognition: a truly great game simply gets better sales, better reviews, higher ratings, more conversation, more recommendations, more flattering comments in forums, greater visibility at cons and in homes, and a secure place in gaming history as the years pass while other games are naturally forgotten. Great games hang around in the consciousness of the hobby and become the "great games" that people know and talk about. Their designers receive more acclaim and win more fans than others do, and get more paid opportunities to design. So the tide of time and public opinion takes care of awarding quality; we don't have to do much of anything.

I've always felt that such awards were almost more for the people giving them--awards are a very satisfying vehicle for debate and discussion, and they make people feel like guardians, authorities, and spokespeople for the hobby.
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pete belli wrote:
ryanking wrote:
Hmmmm, maybe the BGG Wargame forum should do our own...


Why don't we give every wargame an award?

Think of it as a Participation Trophy.

Such awards would have the same significance (and value) as the results of an internet poll.


The award would naturally be called... oh, I can't even bear to say it...

Spoiler (click to reveal)
 
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I am surprised at their passing. Actually looked forward to seeing what won every year. Even if it was a title or subject I didn't care about, would at least push me to see what the buzz was behind a certain win.

Today's reward is now sales and positive word on the street. If I were a designer, would get a kick of hearing about gamers playing the title and reliving their exploits
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bsets wrote:
I am surprised at their passing. Actually looked forward to seeing what won every year. Even if it was a title or subject I didn't care about, would at least push me to see what the buzz was behind a certain win.

Today's reward is now sales and positive word on the street. If I were a designer, would get a kick out of hearing about play sessions of the game and reliving their exploits (vicariously of course)
 
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bsets wrote:
Today's reward is now sales and positive word on the street.


I never heard anybody talk about Wargames on the streets, LOL!

And most do not sell many copies anyway compared to the "heydays" of 30+ yeras ago. But then, there are much more titles available now, right? Yet a cocornuptia of different titles is not always good IMHO, as it's darn hard to find an opponent that knows your favorite game(s) well, or at all, but for the top 20.
 
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