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Subject: Colosseum's coming back (as a Collector's Edition) - TMG obtained publishing rights rss

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Hooray! I finally will be able to pick up this game without getting ripped off. I cannot wait to get it.


If you are willingly giving money for something and it is as described, no one is ripped off.


It is a fair colloquialism to negatively characterize the premium attached to out of print products, if you ask me.


So high demand and low supply shouldn't result in higher prices?

Sorry, but this just sounds like a sense of entitlement for a luxury item. It seems to be quite common in this hobby.


Also you are assuming that isn't an artificially low supply, with the amount of people who were holding on to their DOW editions still in shrink, I am not sure that the low supply wasn't manufactured.


Nobody artificially manufactured low supply here. DoW printed so many that they started literally giving them away.


Um. That would support the idea that the aftermarket prices are part of an artificially low supply. If dow was giving them away it implies high supply not low.


More like high supply with low demand. It wasn't selling so DoW started giving them away. This isn't artificially low supply, this is a company cutting loose dead weight and making warehouse room for c.

Afterwards, demand increased, and the supply is now scattered among individuals who either 1) received multiple copies or 2) received one copy and do not care for the game. Members of both groups 1 & 2 who are selling recognize the increase in demand and are asking a collectible price for the game because it is now a limited supply and the market will allow it.

Would we be in this situation if DoW had sat on those copies until the game got hot, then sold all those copies to every individual who wanted one until they ran out? I think we probably would, because I just can't believe that right now, there is a cabal of gamers out there sitting on piles of cheaply obtained copies of Colosseum, selling them off one at a time to maximize profit.

I think the demand has outstripped the supply. Which I am sure one of the factors contributing to TMG seeking out the rights to reprint the game.
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JBMoby wrote:
More like high supply with low demand. It wasn't selling so DoW started giving them away. This isn't artificially low supply, this is a company cutting loose dead weight and making warehouse room for c.


I thought DoW gave them away because they weren't allowed to sell them due to the rights dispute...? But I'm not completely clued up on everything that went on with this game, so I'm not sure.

Not correct - see posts below.
 
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More like high supply with low demand. It wasn't selling so DoW started giving them away. This isn't artificially low supply, this is a company cutting loose dead weight and making warehouse room for c.


I thought DoW gave them away because they weren't allowed to sell them due to the rights dispute...? But I'm not completely clued up on everything that went on with this game, so I'm not sure.


I haven't heard about that (if true). If that is the case, it would seem the supply of available copies is actually greater because of the give away rather than being kept in a warehouse, unable to be sold.
 
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More like high supply with low demand. It wasn't selling so DoW started giving them away. This isn't artificially low supply, this is a company cutting loose dead weight and making warehouse room for c.


I thought DoW gave them away because they weren't allowed to sell them due to the rights dispute...? But I'm not completely clued up on everything that went on with this game, so I'm not sure.


I haven't heard about that (if true). If that is the case, it would seem the supply of available copies is actually greater because of the give away rather than being kept in a warehouse, unable to be sold.


First I've ever heard this. I recall it being available for sale at the time of that promo so I have my doubts.
 
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More like high supply with low demand. It wasn't selling so DoW started giving them away. This isn't artificially low supply, this is a company cutting loose dead weight and making warehouse room for c.


I thought DoW gave them away because they weren't allowed to sell them due to the rights dispute...? But I'm not completely clued up on everything that went on with this game, so I'm not sure.


I haven't heard about that (if true). If that is the case, it would seem the supply of available copies is actually greater because of the give away rather than being kept in a warehouse, unable to be sold.


First I've ever heard this. I recall it being available for sale at the time of that promo so I have my doubts.


Fair enough. My memory is pretty fuzzy. blush
 
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tantan wrote:
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More like high supply with low demand. It wasn't selling so DoW started giving them away. This isn't artificially low supply, this is a company cutting loose dead weight and making warehouse room for c.


I thought DoW gave them away because they weren't allowed to sell them due to the rights dispute...? But I'm not completely clued up on everything that went on with this game, so I'm not sure.


I haven't heard about that (if true). If that is the case, it would seem the supply of available copies is actually greater because of the give away rather than being kept in a warehouse, unable to be sold.


First I've ever heard this. I recall it being available for sale at the time of that promo so I have my doubts.


Fair enough. My memory is pretty fuzzy. blush


My memory isn't fuzzy about it. DoW did offer it for free at one point.I think it was also on sale as well if not offered free a second time. But it absolutely was free at least once.

It is the nature of this hobby that many games that go OOP become more desirable.

At one point I had SEVEN copies of Witches Brew NIS after it had gone OOP. I found them all at a struggling toy store that just wanted to make a sale. At the time the demand for the game was very low. The OOP hysteria hadn't kicked in. I ended up selling all of them for maybe $5 above retail. I made almost nothing on them after paypal fees. A year later the games was selling for 2x to 3x retail. A year after that 5x to 7x retail. IOW, at first supply was high and demand low. Then it flipped. Going OOP helped make that happen.

I'm sure the same is true with Colosseum. Doesn't mean there's anything artificial. More like sociological. As in people want what they can't get so values rise. Not rocket science.

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What is the purpose of receiving text alerts when the project goes live? Is this one of those things where there will only be a very limited number of copies?
 
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What is the purpose of receiving text alerts when the project goes live? Is this one of those things where there will only be a very limited number of copies?


Well It could be because they are going to have some early bird pricing. But most likely it is to try and get as much momentum early on as they can.
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Hope it is not limited to certain countries only.
 
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Early momentum seems to be a key factor in a Kickstarter succeeding. The texts are likely to get that going to make sure the game funds. They may also be doing a shorter duration Kickstarter (14-21 Days), and so want to make sure everyone who wants to know will know.

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madmanw wrote:
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What is the purpose of receiving text alerts when the project goes live? Is this one of those things where there will only be a very limited number of copies?


Well It could be because they are going to have some early bird pricing. But most likely it is to try and get as much momentum early on as they can.


TMG doesn't do early bird pricing, at least not in any campaign I have followed. It probably is for the momentum.

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Early momentum seems to be a key factor in a Kickstarter succeeding. The texts are likely to get that going to make sure the game funds. They may also be doing a shorter duration Kickstarter (14-21 Days), and so want to make sure everyone who wants to know will know.



What I have seen from TMG recently has been shorter campaigns.

The text alert accomplishes a few things:

1) Early Momentum boost
2) Non-Kickstarter Followers on the project early
3) Non-Kickstarter Followers don't miss out on the campaign (if it is a short campaign)
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I am very much looking forward to this... I do admit that I'm a sucker for a deluxe edition of a game I love, and I also like to see TMG expand its role in the market. If the price is right, I'm totally in.

I'm curious how they will make this "deluxe." The tiles are already solid, the board parts are gorgeous, and the resin meeples are great. There's a cloth bag, and yes the coins are cardboard but they're very pretty cardboard.

My guesses include wood tiles, even nicer meeples, 3-D viewing stands and corner boxes.
 
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I'm curious how they will make this "deluxe." The tiles are already solid, the board parts are gorgeous, and the resin meeples are great. There's a cloth bag, and yes the coins are cardboard but they're very pretty cardboard.

My guesses include wood tiles, even nicer meeples, 3-D viewing stands and corner boxes.

I don't know why I feel this way, and hopefully it's not true, but I think there may be quite a few people who are disappointed in the "deluxe"ness of this edition. I really hope I'm wrong.
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All miniatures!

Mini-lions
Mini-cages
Mini-Soliders
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Mini-EVERYTHING!

If Kickstarter taught me anything...people love minis.
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All miniatures!

Mini-lions
Mini-cages
Mini-Soliders
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Mini-EVERYTHING!

If Kickstarter taught me anything...people love minis.


Minis wouldn't work since they have to be tiles that can be drawn.
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TheOriginalJwoo wrote:
KingD21 wrote:
All miniatures!

Mini-lions
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Mini-EVERYTHING!

If Kickstarter taught me anything...people love minis.


Minis wouldn't work since they have to be tiles that can be drawn.
maybe they need to be minis encased in clear acrylic cubes!
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fograsher wrote:
TheOriginalJwoo wrote:
KingD21 wrote:
All miniatures!

Mini-lions
Mini-cages
Mini-Soliders
Mini-boats
Mini-set pieces
Mini-EVERYTHING!

If Kickstarter taught me anything...people love minis.


Minis wouldn't work since they have to be tiles that can be drawn.
maybe they need to be minis encased in clear acrylic cubes!


Now that will get backers
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TheOriginalJwoo wrote:
KingD21 wrote:
All miniatures!

Mini-lions
Mini-cages
Mini-Soliders
Mini-boats
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Mini-EVERYTHING!

If Kickstarter taught me anything...people love minis.


Minis wouldn't work since they have to be tiles that can be drawn.


You could draw a tile, then take the appropriate mini from the sideboard.

They'd never do it, but it would be cool!
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Personally I don't think you should be allowed to call anything a 'collectors edition' unless it comes in a wooden box the size of a VW Beetle
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jburke98 wrote:
TheOriginalJwoo wrote:
KingD21 wrote:
All miniatures!

Mini-lions
Mini-cages
Mini-Soliders
Mini-boats
Mini-set pieces
Mini-EVERYTHING!

If Kickstarter taught me anything...people love minis.


Minis wouldn't work since they have to be tiles that can be drawn.


You could draw a tile, then take the appropriate mini from the sideboard.

They'd never do it, but it would be cool!


Am I the only person who doesn't like minis? Now if they were meeples... I'm all over it.
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TheOriginalJwoo wrote:
jburke98 wrote:
TheOriginalJwoo wrote:
KingD21 wrote:
All miniatures!

Mini-lions
Mini-cages
Mini-Soliders
Mini-boats
Mini-set pieces
Mini-EVERYTHING!

If Kickstarter taught me anything...people love minis.


Minis wouldn't work since they have to be tiles that can be drawn.


You could draw a tile, then take the appropriate mini from the sideboard.

They'd never do it, but it would be cool!


Am I the only person who doesn't like minis? Now if they were meeples... I'm all over it.


Custom wooden meeples yes! Wood > Plastic
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interesting developement
looking forward to the campaign
 
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The star performers could easily be minis. Also 3d arena pieces.
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Sir Melancholie wrote:
Custom wooden meeples yes! Wood > Plastic


I agree, though I don't know if custom meeples (assuming you mean cut in different shapes) would work since you would still have the problem of needing to draw them out of a bag and the drawer could potentially feel the difference in shape.

I would think the best way to do wood would be wooden blocks or meeples of the same size with the color of the wood and a sticker differentiating between the different performers.

However, this gives me nightmare flashbacks of when I had to sticker Commands & Colors: Ancients. I honestly don't think I would want to put in the effort considering the current cardboard tiles work just fine.

I'm actually very interested to see how the makes this version "deluxe". Colosseum was already one of the best produced games out there, in my opinion.
I'm hopeful for something awesome, but have a feeling it will be more along the lines of Power Grid -> Power Grid Deluxe: Europe/North America
 
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I was thinking, and I haven't played it in awhile, so what about a double sided game board. For different player counts to increase the effectiveness of moving the senators/emperors?
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