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Subject: Production secondary and Spacedocks rss

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Paul Couch
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I have been looking at production, and I am wondering where it says you can't build a second space dock in a (double) system that already contains a space dock as one of your 3 units. I know you cant do it with with the primary (as per FAQ) but i can't seem to see anything that says you can't build it as part of the secondary.
Can anyone show me the rule?
 
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Christopher Halbower
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The rules state it:

Shattered Empire, page 15
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The secondary ability allows the other players to build units at one of their (activated or unactivated)Space Docks, but with a limited production capacity of 3 units.

You are only allowed to build units at one of your space docks. You do not build space docks at one of your space docks. Therefore you cannot build a space dock using the secondary of Production.
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Agreed. Plus, the secondary should function exactly like the primary just with a limit of number of units (and no free resources). So the ruling that applies to the Primary would apply to the Secondary as well.
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Marko Kemenj
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Ok but if you read the rules you can see that Space Dock is also A UNIT.
What now...it say that Production build UNITS and Space Dock IS A UNIT???
 
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Production primary and secondary allow you to "build units". This allows you to build units without declaring a transfer action or a tactical action. It also does not cost a Command Counter nor does it activate the system where the build is taking place. Other than that, all other rules for producing units must be adhered to.

These include but are not limited to:
1. Producing your flagship--can only happen in your homesystem. You cannot use Production primary/secondary to produce your flagship outside of your homesystem.
2. Building spacedocks--can only take place on a planet that does not already have a spacedock. Production primary/secondary commands you build where you have a spacedock and thus forbids you from building a spacedock.
3. Producing units greater than your production capacity--just because you use the Production primary doesn't mean you can "produce units" in excess of the planet's resource value plus two.
4. Produce warsuns without the technology--using Production primary/secondary does not allow you to build warsuns if you do not have the tech.
5. Produce mercenaries--mercenaries are considered units but Production primary/secondary does not allow you to produce mercs at a spacedock you control; you still must take Trade III to get a merc.







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MareCagiva wrote:
Ok but if you read the rules you can see that Space Dock is also A UNIT.
What now...it say that Production build UNITS and Space Dock IS A UNIT???
They are units, but they aren't built AT other docks, they are built on empty planets.

Production only lets you build "at" space docks, and thus only units that a space dock can build are allowed. This means you cannot build a NEW dock with it, because docks don't build other docks.
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And what about Saar Space Docks? They are never placed on a planet,there's only condition for building Space Dock is that there must only be a planet in a system were they want to build it.
 
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Which again emphasizes that space docks are not build at space docks (the saar don't need a space dock to build a space dock, they need a planet).
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