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Subject: Mortar and Machine gun ranges and close combat. rss

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Keith Scholes
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Looking at the rules I was wondering how realistic the combat dice values for these units are.

Firstly they have the same close combat value as an infantry unit, and it strikes me that they would have far less personnel that an equivalent infantry unit and so would have less close combat fighting capacity than an infantry unit. This is less of an issue with machine guns, which could continue firing until the enemy were practically on top of them so could have effective ranged fire until very close combat when there effectiveness is very limited.

Secondly the mortar unit has maximum range dice (2 dice) from close to medium range falling off (1 die) a longer range. I would have thought that they would be relatively ineffective at close range as the mortar lobs the shell some distance.

My own inclination is to set the ranges as:

MG:[1]3,3,3,1,1 The close combat value here is to represent fighting along trenches, when the MG would be less effective.

MT:[1],1,2,3,2,1

For the moment I will stick to the rules values but I thought I would postulate these as an alternative to see what people think. Additionally if anyone wants to clarify the thinking behind the standard values I would be interested to hear them.

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I think it would be a mistake to think of close combat as solely hand to hand. Considering that it also includes short range fire (more accurate) fire, I think it is appropriate that MGs and mortars also have a high Close Combat value.
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NimitsTexan wrote:
I think it would be a mistake to think of close combat as solely hand to hand. Considering that it also includes short range fire (more accurate) fire, I think it is appropriate that MGs and mortars also have a high Close Combat value.


Fair point and I can see how MG would be devastating at close range, but I'm not so sure that would apply to mortars, unless you assume that they are attached to a normal unit.
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After three games, I think of Machine Gun and Mortar units as having those as the main weapon of a mostly infantry group. The infantry protects the weapon team as part of its local defense. I think of Bombers as infantry units with a higher percentage of veteran fighters that have been issued extra grenades and specializing in close-range fighting.

Pure speculation and rationalizing on my part!
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BradyLS wrote:
After three games, I think of Machine Gun and Mortar units as having those as the main weapon of a mostly infantry group. The infantry protects the weapon team as part of its local defense. I think of Bombers as infantry units with a higher percentage of veteran fighters that have been issued extra grenades and specializing in close-range fighting.

Pure speculation and rationalizing on my part!


And all sounds quite rational to me - and after only a few games the factors seem to work very well in simple terms of an interesting, entertaining, and fun game.
 
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BradyLS wrote:
I think of Bombers as infantry units with a higher percentage of veteran fighters that have been issued extra grenades and specializing in close-range fighting.


I think of Bombers as Specialist close combat units based on the later war German Stormtroopers.
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Achtung_Panzer10 wrote:
BradyLS wrote:
I think of Bombers as infantry units with a higher percentage of veteran fighters that have been issued extra grenades and specializing in close-range fighting.


I think of Bombers as Specialist close combat units based on the later war German Stormtroopers.


I think we will still see stormtroopers represented by a flamethrower specialization or so one day. perhaps even a separate set of miniatures.
 
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boersma8 wrote:
Achtung_Panzer10 wrote:
BradyLS wrote:
I think of Bombers as infantry units with a higher percentage of veteran fighters that have been issued extra grenades and specializing in close-range fighting.


I think of Bombers as Specialist close combat units based on the later war German Stormtroopers.


I think we will still see stormtroopers represented by a flamethrower specialization or so one day. perhaps even a separate set of miniatures.
I certainly hope so
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