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Robert Clemmons jr.
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I'm not sure where else to put this. If a mod knows where else to put this, please put it there. Thanks.

Our town is going to have a local fair in a few weeks. I thought during this time it'd be a great idea (just thinking, of course) that I'd print up some of my own merch, set up a folding table and chair, and sell stuff at the fair. THEN I had the bright idea and remembered the free print and play games you can find around here and from here.

So I thought, why not print and sell those next to my own stuff? Making sure they're separate from my own things.

Any thoughts? Or any potential issues?
 
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Derry Salewski
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Will you sell any? Who knows.

Are some of them probably under some copyright that you're not supposed to sell them? Probably.

Will you get in trouble? No.

Will anyone care? Not unless you make threads about it on the only forum on the internet who knows what the hell you're even talking about.

How will you feel? Try it and see!
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SciFi AntiHero beat me to this, and hit all the highlights.

I'm not a lawyer, nor do I hold this out as legal advice.

You would be violating copyright, but the likelihood of someone prosecuting is very low (although, if you're caught the penalties can be steep.) You've displayed some behaviors that make a copyright holder more likely to take notice of your activities:

-- public display of infringement
-- receiving money for violating copyright
 
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Okay.

See, the thoughts I was having, what's the difference between this and selling used board games?
 
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xhunterko wrote:
Okay.

See, the thoughts I was having, what's the difference between this and selling used board games?


The difference is that the designer and publisher have received money for the used copy, and in fact worked together specifically to make sure that copy existed for their profit. The fact that they don't see continued income when that copy is resold isn't relevant.

:edit: though to be fair, there are a number of print-and-play designs that are intended to be free in the do-what-you-want-with-it sense. The respectful and legal thing to do would be to pick your PnPs very carefully after scrutinizing their licensing agreements.
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Some of our free PnP games actually take a bit of time & effort to make. Plus $$$ to get the right materials. I normally take a week or two to make one game. That's without a box, that takes longer.
 
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Autoduelist wrote:
SciFi AntiHero beat me to this, and hit all the highlights.

I'm not a lawyer, nor do I hold this out as legal advice.

You would be violating copyright, but the likelihood of someone prosecuting is very low (although, if you're caught the penalties can be steep.) You've displayed some behaviors that make a copyright holder more likely to take notice of your activities:

-- public display of infringement
-- receiving money for violating copyright


The argument that you're violating copyright is pretty iffy for a print-and-play game. These are distributed with the intention to be printed and played. The licensor would have had to be very careful in how they crafted their license to pursue any kind of penalty for this, since the implication of a "print and play" game is that one can, well, print and play it.

IANAL, of course.
 
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wombat929 wrote:
Autoduelist wrote:
SciFi AntiHero beat me to this, and hit all the highlights.

I'm not a lawyer, nor do I hold this out as legal advice.

You would be violating copyright, but the likelihood of someone prosecuting is very low (although, if you're caught the penalties can be steep.) You've displayed some behaviors that make a copyright holder more likely to take notice of your activities:

-- public display of infringement
-- receiving money for violating copyright


The argument that you're violating copyright is pretty iffy for a print-and-play game. These are distributed with the intention to be printed and played. The licensor would have had to be very careful in how they crafted their license to pursue any kind of penalty for this, since the implication of a "print and play" game is that one can, well, print and play it.

IANAL, of course.


There's a difference between "Print and Play" and "Print and Sell." There are plenty of boil-in-bag non-commercial licenses that allow free replication for personal use.
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Ohhhh shibit... this type of thread has been in hibernation for some time.

The Sleeper Awakes.

My question to the OP... can you can send me a copy of your PnP design or whatever you have created? Can I sell it, market it, and keep all the monies? PM Me.

 
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Pretty much confirming what I've been worried about but wanted clarification on:

Bad idea, unless the game lets you.

Thanks folks!
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If you sold the PnP game for what it cost you make (materials only) then I don't see a crime in it. I know that's a large gray area and people would exploit
 
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