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I'm just curious to what the community thinks about bad winners and sore losers. Which is worst? And which is most common?

If you had to choose:
Having a regular member of your gaming group being a bad winner or a sore loser?

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This thread should be a poll.

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What do you think is WORSE of the following:
Bad winner
Sore loser
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Sore losers drain all enthusiasm from playing again whereas bad winners just make you want to beat them.

So I would take a bad winner in a group
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Yeah a sore looser is way worse in my oppinion. A bad winner you can beat and show how its done
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I think a bad winner can turn everyone else into sore losers. You pity a sore loser but a bad winner is just a jerk. The odds are though that the sore loser will show itself more often.tough call, maybe get one of each and put them in Thunderdome?
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Question: are these players five years old?

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A bad winner will never be a winner again. He will be specifically targeted until people forget how bad of a winner he is.
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Kinda like asking me if I'd like to eat cat doody or dog doody. Neither of course.
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meshnaster wrote:
A bad winner will never be a winner again. He will be specifically targeted until people forget how bad of a winner he is.


And if he's a sore loser as well?
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ReluctantFr0g wrote:
Question: are these players five years old?



This too was my first thought. Both bad winners/sore losers are annoying, but in our game group, we don't invite bad winners/sore losers. I have a small, but close gaming group and for the most part, everyone has a good attitude. If they start getting whiny, we handle it.



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Bohmoplata wrote:
we handle it.


Now you made me curious
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Sore losers are inevitably going to be worse because there are more of them.
 
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Bad winner vs Sore loser

Who wins?
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In my experience, they are typically the same person. Don't choose either/or, it only takes not playing with that one person to solve both problems.
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A sore loser and bad winner - we're talking about Pete right?


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middletonner wrote:
In my experience, they are typically the same person. Don't choose either/or, it only takes not playing with that one person to solve both problems.

That's not my experience. All of the bad winners I have known have been guys, whereas almost all the sore losers I have known have been women.
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Kiraboshi wrote:
middletonner wrote:
In my experience, they are typically the same person. Don't choose either/or, it only takes not playing with that one person to solve both problems.

That's not my experience. All of the bad winners I have known have been guys, whereas almost all the sore losers I have known have been women.


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One of my main gaming partners has recently started learning how to win graciously (he offers his hand and says, "Good game!") and lose graciously without pouting. We still have the odd rough day, but it's definitely improving.

Then again, he's only 3.
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Worse that either is the player who takes an extreme strategy at the start of a game then when it fails proceeds to moan and grumble even if the strategy almost came off and even if they end up winning.
 
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woxoya wrote:
meshnaster wrote:
A bad winner will never be a winner again. He will be specifically targeted until people forget how bad of a winner he is.


And if he's a sore loser as well?


We have one of those. Usually what happens is that he leaves a gaming session as soon as the game is over, without hanging around to chit chat afterwards. I wonder if he has any fun. We're a generally nice bunch outside the sphere of the game, but since he's a sore winner, we do everything in our power to not let him win, but losing seems to strike a chord with him.
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Optimally, I would rather game with neither. In reality, I find sore losers to be much less tolerable. For me they typically ruin the entire game as they tend to be morose and whiny during the play.

Bad winners, on the other hand, come in all flavors and while some do ruin the entire game experience, most just prove their character flaw at the end of the game with their celebration.

Then there's the "faux" Bad Winner who talks smack incessantly and has a sardonic celebration at the end. Most of these are playing the meta "psych" game, trying to get in your head so you'll make sub-optimal moves. I don't mind this so much, but those who overdo it can be annoying (which is their goal I suppose).
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The thing is that so far every bad winner I've encountered (mostly not in boardgames, but something more often observed in sports) has also been a sore loser when they eventually lost, while sore losers might be a bit more common (in various degrees), but some of them were ok and fair enough when winning.

So while I'd avoid both kinds of players, I guess for me the bad winner is a little worse, which is probably even the case if the thing stated above is not universally true, just because to me showing a bad behaviour from a position of "strength" compared to someone who is "down" in some way is even more uncalled for.
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I see there are some different opinions, and I really don't know myself. A sore loser complaining, or a bad winner rubbing his 'glory' in my face..

Now, a bad winner rubbing his glory in the face of a sore loser, that's a room I don't want to be in.
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woxoya wrote:
Bohmoplata wrote:
we handle it.


Now you made me curious


Our group is very close and our group is very competitive. We play games together frequently as well as play sports and engage in various outdoor activities. We're always fighting for dominance, but we also have a lot of respect for one another. We are not shy to compliment one another, nor are we shy to point out weaknesses. If someone is being whiny, we tease them until they shut up. If it is actually a real problem, we hash it out, face to face.

No one in our group is passive aggressive and no one intends to be disrespectful, so as a result, problems do not linger and we typically have a great time, whether it's board games, video games, sports, or just spending time together.
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krechevskoy wrote:
I'll take "People I no longer play with" for 400 Alex.


Also this!
 
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