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FYI for anyone else who picked up the Midnight Circle expansion at Gen Con or elsewhere, I noticed a couple of errors on the Mystery Circle side of the player aid.

1) There's a Paranoiac role listed in the Roles section, but there's no column for it in the Plots section. According to the Japanese player aid PDF, both Tricky Twins and Isolated Institution Psycho should have one Paranoiac.

2) Dance of Fools should have a Fool and a Friend, not just a Friend. (Also according to the JP version.)

EDIT 9/2/15:
3) The new Illusion character should have the "Construct" tag, not the "Fabrication" tag. Looks like a simple renaming error; it's correct everywhere else.

4) The Poisoner role's first ability currently reads: "[Mandatory: Day end] If the Extra Gauge is on 2 or more, this character and any other characters in the same location (if any) dies (once per loop)." According to the JP player aid, it should actually read: "[Mandatory: Day end] If the Extra Gauge is on 2 or more, one character in this location dies (once per loop)."

EDIT 9/8/15:
Advice text for how to use the Forensic Specialist, which was missing from the Mastermind Handbook:

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Has two really powerful abilities. The first one can move an Intrigue counter to a harmless place, and that's bad. He can also be used to gather goodwill in one place. The second one doesn't specify a location. With him in a script, the difficulty goes down. On the other hand, that also means you'll get away with scripts that would otherwise be too evil.
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Noo maybe they changed it but it would be surprising.
There could be a role that appears in none of the plots if some character like the mystery boy had the ability to be them.
 
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I checked the roles in the player handbook and it lists the same info as the JP player aid, so I think it's probably just a mistake and not an actual change to the tragedy set.
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Mistakes like this are VERY unfortunate in this game. the player aids really need to be flawless (well, maybe a spelling error would be forgivable).
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MythrilCircuit wrote:
FYI for anyone else who picked up the Midnight Circle expansion at Gen Con or elsewhere, I noticed a couple of errors on the Mystery Circle side of the player aid.

1) There's a Paranoiac role listed in the Roles section, but there's no column for it in the Plots section. According to the Japanese player aid PDF, both Tricky Twins and Isolated Institution Psycho should have one Paranoiac.

2) Dance of Fools should have a Fool and a Friend, not just a Friend. (Also according to the JP version.)


Thanks for the info. Makes me glad that I also have the japanese Player Aids so that I can compare with the Z-Man edition ones (when I will be able to acquire the game... cry sigh)
 
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MythrilCircuit wrote:
FYI for anyone else who picked up the Midnight Circle expansion at Gen Con or elsewhere, I noticed a couple of errors on the Mystery Circle side of the player aid.


Is the Japanese Player Aid available in English, I would love to get a head start on updating my Mastermind Aid. Still waiting for this to hit retailers so they can send it all the way over here (+2 week wait cry)
 
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Write to zman, so they can start printing correction ones? Considering that the expansion does not have many components, you could at least expect them to be high quality.
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Muemmelmann wrote:
Considering that the expansion does not have many components, you could at least expect them to be high quality.


My thoughts exactly.
 
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Between this and ZMan inexplicably cutting half of the new tragedy sets' scripts, looks like I won't be picking up this expansion. Good job, all you had to do was reprint a game that already existed and you still managed to screw it up!
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Well, I filed a damaged components report on Z-Man's site, so we'll see what they have to say.
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It's a bummer, but I'm not exactly incensed, since the component is just a piece of paper and easily replaced by printing new versions.
 
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MythrilCircuit wrote:
Well, I filed a damaged components report on Z-Man's site, so we'll see what they have to say.


Let us know how it goes..
Hopefully they would replace the aids for free..
 
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This may be the reason that wide release has been delayed so long. It was scheduled for July 31st. I'll be happy if it comes out eventually with the corrected reference sheet.
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Updated the top post with more errata. The Poisoner mistake was really confusing because the role has another ability that doesn't trigger until the Extra Gauge hits 4, so as written it would never go off unless the protagonists resurrected the Poisoner with the Alien.
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This may be the reason that wide release has been delayed so long. It was scheduled for July 31st. I'll be happy if it comes out eventually with the corrected reference sheet.


Let's hope so...
 
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I don't have the English player aid sheet here, but if the information that has been noted in truth is missing, then that's a misprint.

About the Poisoner: This is clearly my own fault, and no one is to blame but me. I'm truly sorry. Checking the Japanese original, the text IS a bit ambiguous and CAN be interpreted as "this character and another in the same location", but I should have noticed anyway, as it's actually illogical. The sentence in question reads "another character in the same location AS THIS character and not AND THIS character", it's just that "as this" and "and this" is in this case the same conjunction in Japanese…

Anyay, the correct first power of the poisoner is:

[Mandatory] At the end of the day, if the Extra gauge is on 2 or more, any one character in this location dies. (once per loop)

(where "this location" is the location where the poisoner is, and yes, the character that dies can possibly be the poisoner himself. Otherwise it would have ready "any other character").
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salty53 wrote:
Between this and ZMan inexplicably cutting half of the new tragedy sets' scripts, looks like I won't be picking up this expansion.


The cuts of the scripts was not done by Z-man but by BakaFire. He felt the other scripts were too old and didn't meet his standards anymore.

salty53 wrote:
Good job, all you had to do was reprint a game that already existed and you still managed to screw it up!

This game isn't an easy one to translate, you know…
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On the plus side, the expansion is now really inexpensive.
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lfisher wrote:
On the plus side, the expansion is now really inexpensive.


Thanks for pointing that out! I'm gonna have to deal with CardHaus customer service on this now. I pre-ordered it at 24.99, but even though the expansion is relisted at a price of 12.99, they still billed me for the original higher price when they shipped it just now.
 
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Update: Someone from Z-Man got in touch with me pretty quickly last week and it looks like there will be a corrected PDF released soon.

It turned out there was also a small block of text about the new Forensic Specialist character missing from the Mastermind Handbook (rather, the block was there but the text was from a different character). They were able to dig the text up from somewhere for me, so I'm adding it to the top post.
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lfisher wrote:
On the plus side, the expansion is now really inexpensive.


Really? It was 20 at GenCon, and the guy running the booth laughed when I asked if they'd still have some if I came back in an hour.
 
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$20 MSRP and $12.99 at online retailers is pretty cheap, IMHO.
 
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Also awhile back it had been listed as 39.99
http://icv2.com/articles/news/view/31711/z-man-games-summer-...

and people were concerned that it was so high.
 
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I did not like the original Player's aid for Tragedy Looper, so I ended up making my own version for the game.

If this version has these many mistakes, I think I'll make another Player's aid, for the new sets, and updated with the new characters.

Once I get my hands on the new cards, aid and errata, I'll start working on it.
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A pdf to fix the player aid is great, but what about the Poisoner card itself? Do you think Z-man might produce corrected cards for a reprint or replacement?

EDIT: As stated later, the poisoner is a role, not a character, so no card to correct! That's good.
 
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