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So while most folks see the shield manipulation of the other named pilot as amazing, Esege has an ability that is perhaps better than at first blush due to the very specific wording.

When attacking other friendly pilots within range 1-2 may treat your focus tokens as their own.

The ability to share focus is nice, but this does more than that. Escourt your k wing with a pair of A wings and you have a proton barrage without either a wing needing to focus. If someone takes deadeye homing missiles can be fired by pilots with stress because yahoo.

Thoughts?
 
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Agreed, it's a great ability, especially with Recon Specialist. Great with Garven Dreis as well — he can spend Esege's tokens and pass them on to other ships (including right back onto Esege).
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Holy Deadeye, Batman, this could be a thing.
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I could see a tight formation of garven, dutch, and esege (+recon) being a fun list.

Mehbe...

Dutch + TLT (29)

Esege + TLT & Recon spec(37)

Garven + R5-K6 & Ion torps (33)

=99 pts and a lot of focus + target lock swapping
 
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Folks are missing my point I think. Don't consider spending the focus, just have it exist. Imagine a posse of A-wings escourting Esege. They close to range 1 and the A-wings take target locks or boost as needed to get into position, Esege focises. Now every A wing fires off a proton rocket for a 5 die attack, each able to satisfy the attack:focus simply because esege has his single focus token.

Throw recon on him and one A wing can even spend a token and still leave the second for the rest.
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Shadrach wrote:
Folks are missing my point I think. Don't consider spending the focus, just have it exist. Imagine a posse of A-wings escourting Esege. They close to range 1 and the A-wings take target locks or boost as needed to get into position, Esege focises. Now every A wing fires off a proton rocket for a 5 die attack, each able to satisfy the attack:focus simply because esege has his single focus token.

Throw recon on him and one A wing can even spend a token and still leave the second for the rest.


You are a mad scientist. Any missile that doesn't require spending the TL can now be paired with deadeye and this pilot. That's nuts!
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Or pair with Poe once the Ep7 Core Set comes out. "When attacking or defending, if you have a focus token, you may change a focus result to a hit or evade"
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Are you saying that Esege doesn't lose his focus when someone else uses it? How do you get to that conclusion?
 
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ladofdestiny wrote:
Are you saying that Esege doesn't lose his focus when someone else uses it? How do you get to that conclusion?


he's talking about cards that don't require spending a focus token, just having one.
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So if a ship used Esege's focus token to modify some results (like a normal attack), the K-wing no longer has it's focus token for itself right?
 
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ladofdestiny wrote:
So if a ship used Esege's focus token to modify some results (like a normal attack), the K-wing no longer has it's focus token for itself right?

Correct.
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Using a K Wing to buff A-Wings seems a bit moot when you can easily and cheaply throw on Push the Limit for a target lock focus proton rocket.
 
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So then:

Esege + Recon
3x Green Squads + Proton + Deadeye

= 100 Points = I gotta try this.
 
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locusshifter wrote:
So then:

Esege + Recon
3x Green Squads + Proton + Deadeye

= 100 Points = I gotta try this.


deadeye might be slightly wasted . . .
 
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scifiantihero wrote:
locusshifter wrote:
So then:

Esege + Recon
3x Green Squads + Proton + Deadeye

= 100 Points = I gotta try this.


deadeye might be slightly wasted . . .


Yep, missed that Protons don't require the lock.
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Scum_Ace wrote:
Using a K Wing to buff A-Wings seems a bit moot when you can easily and cheaply throw on Push the Limit for a target lock focus proton rocket.


It isn't about perfect allocation of points for ideal circumstances, it is about a threat where none should exist. Also in this scenarios your A-wings can fire while locked down with stress. Skip the initial range 1 joust, your a wing can K-turn 5 and fire protons into yourvopponent's tailpipes.
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scifiantihero wrote:
locusshifter wrote:
So then:

Esege + Recon
3x Green Squads + Proton + Deadeye

= 100 Points = I gotta try this.


deadeye might be slightly wasted . . .


Yeah, in that case give the K a Proton too, especially since it's getting the extra focus and wouldn't deprive the A-Wings when it burned one to fire them.

 
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locusshifter wrote:
scifiantihero wrote:
locusshifter wrote:
So then:

Esege + Recon
3x Green Squads + Proton + Deadeye

= 100 Points = I gotta try this.


deadeye might be slightly wasted . . .


Yeah, in that case give the K a Proton too, especially since it's getting the extra focus and wouldn't deprive the A-Wings when it burned one to fire them.



Proton rocket on a k wing=bad. Maybe take advanced slam?
 
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Shadrach wrote:
locusshifter wrote:
scifiantihero wrote:
locusshifter wrote:
So then:

Esege + Recon
3x Green Squads + Proton + Deadeye

= 100 Points = I gotta try this.


deadeye might be slightly wasted . . .


Yeah, in that case give the K a Proton too, especially since it's getting the extra focus and wouldn't deprive the A-Wings when it burned one to fire them.



Proton rocket on a k wing=bad. Maybe take advanced slam?


Take advanced SLAM and a thread tracer when it comes out:

XX-23 S-thread Tracers (1)
Attack [Focus]: Discard this card to perform this attack. If this attack hits, each friendly ship at Range 1-2 of you may acquire a target lock on the defender. Then cancel all dice results. Attack value 3. Range 1-3.

Use the advanced SLAM to catch up with your A-Wing Formation, double focus with Recon. K-Wing Attacks first with the Tracer, spends one focus if needed. Give every A-Wing a TL on the defender, let them use the The Focus to fire Proton rockets, Use their TL for re-rolls. If you still have both focus, the first or second A-Wing can Spend a focus on their results and then so can the Third. You could even take Extra Munitions Instead of Advanced Slam, fly a little slower, and pull this trick again if the first target is destroyed before all three Proton rockets are used.

Lets see a Decimator survive that...
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Michael Sweat wrote:
Shadrach wrote:
locusshifter wrote:
scifiantihero wrote:
locusshifter wrote:
So then:

Esege + Recon
3x Green Squads + Proton + Deadeye

= 100 Points = I gotta try this. ;)


deadeye might be slightly wasted . . .


Yeah, in that case give the K a Proton too, especially since it's getting the extra focus and wouldn't deprive the A-Wings when it burned one to fire them.



Proton rocket on a k wing=bad. Maybe take advanced slam?


Take advanced SLAM and a thread tracer when it comes out:

XX-23 S-thread Tracers (1)
Attack [Focus]: Discard this card to perform this attack. If this attack hits, each friendly ship at Range 1-2 of you may acquire a target lock on the defender. Then cancel all dice results. Attack value 3. Range 1-3.

Use the advanced SLAM to catch up with your A-Wing Formation, double focus with Recon. K-Wing Attacks first with the Tracer, spends one focus if needed. Give every A-Wing a TL on the defender, let them use the The Focus to fire Proton rockets, Use their TL for re-rolls. If you still have both focus, the first or second A-Wing can Spend a focus on their results and then so can the Third. You could even take Extra Munitions Instead of Advanced Slam, fly a little slower, and pull this trick again if the first target is destroyed before all three Proton rockets are used.

Lets see a Decimator survive that...


Also, since you don't need the EPT, use prototype pilots instead of green squad and use the 2 points per ship you get back to give them all autothrusters
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Bascaria wrote:
Michael Sweat wrote:
Shadrach wrote:
locusshifter wrote:
scifiantihero wrote:
locusshifter wrote:
So then:

Esege + Recon
3x Green Squads + Proton + Deadeye

= 100 Points = I gotta try this.


deadeye might be slightly wasted . . .


Yeah, in that case give the K a Proton too, especially since it's getting the extra focus and wouldn't deprive the A-Wings when it burned one to fire them.



Proton rocket on a k wing=bad. Maybe take advanced slam?


Take advanced SLAM and a thread tracer when it comes out:

XX-23 S-thread Tracers (1)
Attack [Focus]: Discard this card to perform this attack. If this attack hits, each friendly ship at Range 1-2 of you may acquire a target lock on the defender. Then cancel all dice results. Attack value 3. Range 1-3.

Use the advanced SLAM to catch up with your A-Wing Formation, double focus with Recon. K-Wing Attacks first with the Tracer, spends one focus if needed. Give every A-Wing a TL on the defender, let them use the The Focus to fire Proton rockets, Use their TL for re-rolls. If you still have both focus, the first or second A-Wing can Spend a focus on their results and then so can the Third. You could even take Extra Munitions Instead of Advanced Slam, fly a little slower, and pull this trick again if the first target is destroyed before all three Proton rockets are used.

Lets see a Decimator survive that...


Also, since you don't need the EPT, use prototype pilots instead of green squad and use the 2 points per ship you get back to give them all autothrusters


SHENANIGANS!!!

Also I just remembered that you can't attack after SLAMing, so EM is probably the way to go.
 
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Shadrach wrote:
locusshifter wrote:
scifiantihero wrote:
locusshifter wrote:
So then:

Esege + Recon
3x Green Squads + Proton + Deadeye

= 100 Points = I gotta try this.


deadeye might be slightly wasted . . .


Yeah, in that case give the K a Proton too, especially since it's getting the extra focus and wouldn't deprive the A-Wings when it burned one to fire them.



Proton rocket on a k wing=bad. Maybe take advanced slam?


So, while I've played a bit, I'm still betting I'm a rookie compared to many.

Why is the Proton bad on a K?
 
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locusshifter wrote:
Shadrach wrote:
locusshifter wrote:
scifiantihero wrote:
locusshifter wrote:
So then:

Esege + Recon
3x Green Squads + Proton + Deadeye

= 100 Points = I gotta try this.


deadeye might be slightly wasted . . .


Yeah, in that case give the K a Proton too, especially since it's getting the extra focus and wouldn't deprive the A-Wings when it burned one to fire them.



Proton rocket on a k wing=bad. Maybe take advanced slam?


So, while I've played a bit, I'm still betting I'm a rookie compared to many.

Why is the Proton bad on a K?


Proton Rockets get extra attack dice equal to your ship's agility - the K-Wing only has 1 agility. Since you'll have to be at range 1 anyway, the Proton Rockets get the same number of dice as your primary weapon.
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Sassycat wrote:
locusshifter wrote:
Shadrach wrote:
locusshifter wrote:
scifiantihero wrote:
locusshifter wrote:
So then:

Esege + Recon
3x Green Squads + Proton + Deadeye

= 100 Points = I gotta try this.


deadeye might be slightly wasted . . .


Yeah, in that case give the K a Proton too, especially since it's getting the extra focus and wouldn't deprive the A-Wings when it burned one to fire them.



Proton rocket on a k wing=bad. Maybe take advanced slam?


So, while I've played a bit, I'm still betting I'm a rookie compared to many.

Why is the Proton bad on a K?


Proton Rockets get extra attack dice equal to your ship's agility - the K-Wing only has 1 agility. Since you'll have to be at range 1 anyway, the Proton Rockets get the same number of dice as your primary weapon.


Welcome to why I need to play this game more often again. It helps to RTFC too.
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If you're playing someone who isn't familiar with Tuketu's ability, I think your shenanigans would work. ONCE. Of course that might be all you need.

If they are familiar, he's easily identifiable of the keystone of your entire squad. I still haven't cracked the code on how to use him effectively, but I'm liking the Proton A-Wing rush.

I just don't like its odds after you loose ordnance vs things like BBBBZ and Chirpy/Soontir.
 
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