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I've been reading the forums on BGG for awhile now and it is nice to know I'm not the only person who is crazy for games.

1. I love to play and can't seem to get enough playing time in.

2. I spend more money than I should [probably] buying games.

3. I spend an inordinate amount of my time thinking about games, rearranging them, writing condensed rules, organizing game pieces, researching new games to buy, and on and on and on.



I'm curious to know what makes gaming so enticing and interesting to you?

For me it is many things:

1. The fun of actually playing, trying to figure out the best strategies and understand the game mechanics. I love this part of the experience better than winning. If I happen to win, it is an added bonus but I would play many games even if I lost every time.

2. Appreciating the creativity of the game design and the artwork. Some games are just so pretty, and I love good quality playing pieces.

3. I used to think it was good, fun, cheap entertainment. I may have to alter that thought though because of the sizable amount of money I have invested in games but for the most part, I still think the replayability of most games makes them a good value.

4. I love the connection with people. Playing games seems to be one of the few times people sit still, don't play with their phones, and give you their [mostly] undivided attention. I love the shared experience of playing together. I've always thought of myself as an introvert and gaming satisfies my need for connection with others in fun, engaging ways.

5. Memory Makers - I look at my collection of games and smile at the memories of the people and fun we had while playing them. My love for games began with my Grandmother because she always took the time to play games with me and those memories are among the happiest of my life.
Such good times and fun!




What is behind your love for games?

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Mine is (in no order):

1) I love socialising with gamers. We usually have lots in common beyond gaming, or are so different that it's interesting to get to know each other. I very rarely meet a boring gamer.

2) Escapism. They're a great break from real life!

3) I play most games 2P with my husband. It's the thing we do, instead of TV or drinking. That's not to say we don't drink or watch TV, just that we do more gaming and less of those.

4) Keeps my brain active. I've worked in a nursing home and understand the importance of this.

5) I have a laugh with my family and friends - similar to your "memory makers"

6) Although I'm a varied gamer, I love eurogames, and figuring out the different ways to do things in these games. I just love deducting things

7) It's a very tactile hobby. Who doesn't like picking up meeples?

8) My first gaming love is Magic: the Gathering. I love everything about it - opening boosters, making decks, sleeving cards, playing with friends, going to pre-releases, drafting, organising the cards, cataloguing the cards, playing games with my husband, playing multiplayer games... The list goes on
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I admit I don't socialize well. I can't really chit-chat. I either avoid crowds that include strangers with which I might have to interact. Or i clam-up, or I clown-around too much.

but gaming means we're all there to work together and perform a task - even if it's competitive. I can do that, maybe sometimes there's still some 'inertia' and my wife may need to whine a little to get me to go to game night - but I enjoy it when i do go.

even gaming at family gatherings is more enjoyable to me than sitting around talking about some sports team, who bought a new car, who's kid did what, etc.
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I admit I don't socialize well. I can't really chit-chat. I either avoid crowds that include strangers with which I might have to interact. Or i clam-up, or I clown-around too much.

but gaming means we're all there to work together and perform a task - even if it's competitive. I can do that, maybe sometimes there's still some 'inertia' and my wife may need to whine a little to get me to go to game night - but I enjoy it when i do go.

even gaming at family gatherings is more enjoyable to me than sitting around talking about some sports team, who bought a new car, who's kid did what, etc.


I don't do well at small talk unless we get engaged in a task/game/activity at the same time. It relieves the pressure of trying to think what to talk about and since we are already focused on something else, the conversation becomes easier and more meaningful.
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I like the decision-making process and watching how my opponents' strategies unfold during a game. I really enjoy games that have multi-use cards (e.g, LaGranja, Bruges) or role selection mechanisms. At the end of the game, I wonder what would have happened if I had used the cards in different ways or selected different roles.

New games fascinate me. I love reading the rules and playing through the game by myself a few times to see how everything fits together.

I also enjoy getting together with people. The social interaction aspect is very important.
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The materiality of board and card gaming. Game as object. The design and aesthetics of games.
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Hubby and I like to play games together, and it's also a good excuse to get together with friends.
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What started out as a fun way to introduce and exercise the concepts of strategy/math/logic for my young daughter...

quickly evolved into a fun, somewhat social pursuit with her and a few select friends...

and then settled into an entertaining solo intellectual pursuit which I get to occasionally share with others, especially my gamer daughter!
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I'm feeling lazy today and most of the reasons have already been listed:

1. The fun of actually playing, trying to figure out the best strategies and understand the game mechanics. I love this part of the experience better than winning. If I happen to win, it is an added bonus but I would play many games even if I lost every time. I don't know how many times (and still do) lose at Dungeon Lords/Pets, but I keep on trying. Bring Dominion anywhere near me and I hiss. Colosseum: I refuse to play.

2. Appreciating the creativity of the game design and the artwork. Some games are just so pretty, and I love good quality playing pieces. Heh heh heh, I'm a victim of this. I do so enjoy customizing things to make them a bit nicer. Oh meeplesource, how I wish you had sales...

3. I think it is good, fun, cheap entertainment. I relish the sizable amount of money I have invested in games, as they last for decades (buying from liquidating local gamers and OLGS sales, as well as generous PiFers. kiss Marc if you're reading this laugh. I have a Parcheesi set that is... oh 40 years old or more? (I'm under 30, shhh ) They're durable. How long to people play most videogames? $60-70 that you may spend all of 10-20 hours on? Nooo thanks. That's 3-4 boardgames I will play for no less than a decade. They make great heirlooms as well. Think I'm going to give my future kids silly disposable items or things that drop in 1/3 or more of the value as soon as I walk out of the store? Hah! The happy couple will be getting several big box versions of games as well as well-hidden OOP second copies that their favourite or soon-to-be parent has hidden from them after purchasing frugally at an auction (sorry Daddy, I'm #1 ).

4. I love the positive connection with people. I either avoid crowds that include strangers with which I might have to interact. Or I clam-up (mostly men or conservative women), or I clown-around too much (attempting to bring the ultra and regular shy out of their shells). Gaming is an asperger's/socially anxious/bipolar retreat from social stresses. Playing games seems to be one of the few times people sit still, don't play with their phones (I collect them in a basket and everyone has to turn them on silent when they're at my place, unless they have kids who need to call in), and give you their [mostly] undivided attention (we still love you, AP players!). I love the shared experience of playing together. I'm an introvert and gaming satisfies my need for connection with others in fun, engaging ways.

5. Memory Makers - I look at my collection of games and smile at the memories of the people and fun we had while playing them. My love for games began with my Great-Grandmother because she always took the time to play games with me and those memories are among the happiest of my life. Everyone on my mother's side plays cards, crib, chess, parcheesi, monopoly and clue: the usual precursor games before the boardgaming addiction hits in full swing.

5. Friendship seeds. I could care less about celebrities, who's hot and not, sports or cars. As most of our gaming sets are young professionals or adults with children in their teens, we largely have the time to grow and pursue our own hobbies, without being burned out due to pregnancy or children under 12. Most of my current friend set stems out of the fellow gamers in my various groups and I'm glad for the healthy relationships they afford, unlike clubbers or potheads that seldom stray from their favourite aforementioned activities.

6. Escapism. Just like books, they're a great break from real life! They can take you around the world, through time, space, parallel and different dimensions.

7. I play most 2P with my best friend. It's the thing we do, instead of TV, drinking or watching movies (solitary activities). I imagine this will also be a future activities with children. When they aren't working a part-time job, chores or schoolwork, it'll be a method of connecting all of the family instead of everyone trying to eat their various dinners at different times and not participating in some grand gaming afterwards, rather than divergent interests (which can certainly be pursued, though it's good to have common activities: a lot cheaper than vacations, cabins in the woods, summer camp and will reduce the inclination for petty crimes) and lack of cohesion as a family unit.

8. Skill sets. Board and card games work in so many different ways, with varied mechanics and genres. There are few mental skills that you can not acquire and practice through our beautiful hobby/way of life.

9. It's a very tactile hobby. Who doesn't like picking up meeples?

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1) I like that it's a shared activity that my husband and I both enjoy. Both of us like video games, but with 99% of them it's a solo experience.

2) It's mentally stimulating. We dumped cable so we could spend that money on building a board game collection instead. There's so much more brain usage than with watching most of what's on TV.

3) There's a lot of fun in learning new game mechanics and trying to figure out strategies for winning.

4) Beautiful artwork, immersive themes...it's a great way to escape from the everyday.
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I guess what I love most about gaming is the social aspect. People coming together to spend time at a hobby they share. And of course the learning aspects of playing a game, learning new strategies and all that. Using my imagination, sort of trimming my brain, I suppose... whistle
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MinneEm wrote:
I've been reading the forums on BGG for awhile now and it is nice to know I'm not the only person who is crazy for games.

1. I love to play and can't seem to get enough playing time in.

2. I spend more money than I should [probably] buying games.

3. I spend an inordinate amount of my time thinking about games, rearranging them, writing condensed rules, organizing game pieces, researching new games to buy, and on and on and on.



I'm curious to know what makes gaming so enticing and interesting to you?

For me it is many things:

1. The fun of actually playing, trying to figure out the best strategies and understand the game mechanics. I love this part of the experience better than winning. If I happen to win, it is an added bonus but I would play many games even if I lost every time.

2. Appreciating the creativity of the game design and the artwork. Some games are just so pretty, and I love good quality playing pieces.

3. I used to think it was good, fun, cheap entertainment. I may have to alter that thought though because of the sizable amount of money I have invested in games but for the most part, I still think the replayability of most games makes them a good value.

4. I love the connection with people. Playing games seems to be one of the few times people sit still, don't play with their phones, and give you their [mostly] undivided attention. I love the shared experience of playing together. I've always thought of myself as an introvert and gaming satisfies my need for connection with others in fun, engaging ways.

5. Memory Makers - I look at my collection of games and smile at the memories of the people and fun we had while playing them. My love for games began with my Grandmother because she always took the time to play games with me and those memories are among the happiest of my life.
Such good times and fun!




What is behind your love for games?

All of the above. Good for you sweetheart.

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For me it is mainly the challenge to my mind that I enjoy. It is hard to explain, but I get nervous and excited and eager for my turn and love to plan and strategize. It is mental physical fitness.
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Re: Why are we all so crazy for gaming such?
wow ~TO:"Crush your enemies. See them driven before you. Hear the lamentations of their women." What else is there, and what do you got? whistle
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Intellectual stimulation, and also the stories.
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Some Valkyrie or hulking lady is going to beat you so badly at a game one day Robert that you'll never say a misogynistic thing again ;D
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CallieMo wrote:
1) I like that it's a shared activity that my husband and I both enjoy. Both of us like video games, but with 99% of them it's a solo experience.

2) It's mentally stimulating. We dumped cable so we could spend that money on building a board game collection instead. There's so much more brain usage than with watching most of what's on TV.

3) There's a lot of fun in learning new game mechanics and trying to figure out strategies for winning.

4) Beautiful artwork, immersive themes...it's a great way to escape from the everyday.


I would love to dump our Cable too and spend MORE time playing but my spouse won't go that far. I think it is great that you did.
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wow ~TO:"Crush your enemies. See them driven before you. Hear the lamentations of their women." What else is there, and what do you got? whistle


You sound like my son. He is so competitive it isn't fun to play games with him unless they are cooperative ones. You aren't really one of those people are you Conan, er Robert?
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wow ~TO:"Crush your enemies. See them driven before you. Hear the lamentations of their women." What else is there, and what do you got? whistle
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Some Valkyrie or hulking lady is going to beat you so badly at a game one day Robert that you'll never say a misogynistic thing again ;D
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You sound like my son. He is so competitive it isn't fun to play games with him unless they are cooperative ones. You aren't really one of those people are you Conan, er Robert?
'bringing' HER "on" then! 'moi' concurs with Worf upon "women, old people, & children" beyond JUST 'shuffleboard' in that:

"there is NO PLACE for the weak, infirm, nor cowardly in..." additions.

sauron ~""KARGLESNARFRINDER!""
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I would love to dump our Cable too and spend MORE time playing but my spouse won't go that far. I think it is great that you did.


We haven't had cable for years. Netflix (Hulu, Amazon Prime, et al) allow us to have the pleasure of TV for a fraction of the cost. Maybe you just need to discover some great alternatives for your spouse. (Though, I think a sports watcher would always want cable...)
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1) It gives structure and activity to the simple condition of being, and having fun, with the people I love.

2) The narative and memories created.
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MinneEm wrote:


I would love to dump our Cable too and spend MORE time playing but my spouse won't go that far. I think it is great that you did.


We haven't had cable for years. Netflix (Hulu, Amazon Prime, et al) allow us to have the pleasure of TV for a fraction of the cost. Maybe you just need to discover some great alternatives for your spouse. (Though, I think a sports watcher would always want cable...)


Our TV is going when we (hopefully) move onto a narrowboat to explore the country, it'll just be board games and nature (and the Internet and work...)

I agree with so many things that have been said, I love the tactile nature of the pieces and cards, I love the structure and memories it gives to social gatherings, I love the stories you tell about games, I live that it stimulates your brain but also shuts off the real world worries, I love building and creating and I've got to admit, I really quite enjoy winning
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Not surprisingly, it seems we have mostly the same reasons for loving games.



Something else that intrigues me is the variety of games that people like/dislike. Here and on the Facebook BoardGame Geek page, people are frequently asking for recommendations for games. I've always been hesitant to make any recommendations because my own likes/dislikes seem to be a bit quirky.

For me watching videos for game plays seems to help me, and the number of players is another factor since most often I play with my spouse.
I'm not sure I understand the difference between weights of games and between euro/ameritrash. I think I base my game purchases on medium weights [some strategy/a bit of luck/not too much AP/not over 90 minutes]. I also gravitate toward certain themes [castles, space or trains for example] and I try not to purchase games that seem really similar [castles of burgundy vs La Granja??].

Do any of you have a way of making recommendations that really seems to work and how helpful do you find the Game info on BGG?

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MinneEm wrote:
Not surprisingly, it seems we have mostly the same reasons for loving games.




I'm not sure I understand the difference between weights of games and between euro/ameritrash. I think I base my game purchases on medium weights [some strategy/a bit of luck/not too much AP/not over 90 minutes].


Weights is something I've heard a few podcasters debate and there's really no hard and fast rule on what the line between Light-Medium is or Medium-Heavy. And really I think most of us would set it at different places. I once heard someone say he considers the time/complication involved in learning or teaching the game to be the marker and I think that's a pretty good baseline for determining weight. I'd agree that the games you describe liking would be around middle weight. To me a middle weight is something I would introduce to newbies first, and I might want to teach a light game with the same mechanic (either simpler or using only that mechanic) to slightly experienced gamers before teaching them a medium game. Heavy is something with a complicated rule set or a long play time or lots and lots of thought involved (to me).

Euro games are classically more thought involved, have every little direct interaction and almost no direct conflict. Euro = Strategy is a pretty safe assumption. Anything from 7 Wonders to Agricola would be a "pure" Euro. Ameritrash/thrash are usually high in player conflict and interaction and utilize a lot of luck based mechanics. Most war games, King of Tokyo, Kaosball all of those kinds of games are "pure" Amerithrash. Lately though those two ideas are becoming less and less pure and designers are playing with mixing these ideas up and playing with what happens when you mix the ideas up!

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Do any of you have a way of making recommendations that really seems to work and how helpful do you find the Game info on BGG?



I like to ask people about what they are liking and not liking right now and what about it makes them feel that way. And then I suggest games with those same qualities.
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MinneEm wrote:
Not surprisingly, it seems we have mostly the same reasons for loving games.




I'm not sure I understand the difference between weights of games and between euro/ameritrash. I think I base my game purchases on medium weights [some strategy/a bit of luck/not too much AP/not over 90 minutes].


Weights is something I've heard a few podcasters debate and there's really no hard and fast rule on what the line between Light-Medium is or Medium-Heavy. And really I think most of us would set it at different places. I once heard someone say he considers the time/complication involved in learning or teaching the game to be the marker and I think that's a pretty good baseline for determining weight. I'd agree that the games you describe liking would be around middle weight. To me a middle weight is something I would introduce to newbies first, and I might want to teach a light game with the same mechanic (either simpler or using only that mechanic) to slightly experienced gamers before teaching them a medium game. Heavy is something with a complicated rule set or a long play time or lots and lots of thought involved (to me).

Euro games are classically more thought involved, have every little direct interaction and almost no direct conflict. Euro = Strategy is a pretty safe assumption. Anything from 7 Wonders to Agricola would be a "pure" Euro. Ameritrash/thrash are usually high in player conflict and interaction and utilize a lot of luck based mechanics. Most war games, King of Tokyo, Kaosball all of those kinds of games are "pure" Amerithrash. Lately though those two ideas are becoming less and less pure and designers are playing with mixing these ideas up and playing with what happens when you mix the ideas up!

MinneEm wrote:
Do any of you have a way of making recommendations that really seems to work and how helpful do you find the Game info on BGG?



I like to ask people about what they are liking and not liking right now and what about it makes them feel that way. And then I suggest games with those same qualities.


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I like the idea of weight being related to the complication of teaching/learning the rules. So in my world, if I feel compelled to write condensed rules for a game I would then consider it medium to heavy. Euro/Ameritrash has never really been a memorable or helpful distinction to me. Strategy vs luck and the amount of confrontation involved is more helpful. I do enjoy strategy games but not those that really involve direct player conflict.
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