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For some time in recent years, a fashion has come into US political parlance which I simply find bizarre-- using the noun "Democrat" in lieu of the related adjective "Democratic". Thus poster will write about "the Democrat party". Now Republican is both a noun and an adjective. Democrat is not. Using "Democrat" as an adjective merely makes one look uneducated and in fact stupid.

That's all.
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Using "Democrat" in place of "Democratic" as a deliberate insult is basically an institution among Republicans. It's been going on longer than I've been alive, certainly.
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whac3 wrote:
Using "Democrat" as an adjective merely makes one look uneducated and in fact stupid.


As opposed to actually being a Democrat which makes you look.. Oh wait.
 
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whac3 wrote:
For some time in recent years, a fashion has come into US political parlance which I simply find bizarre-- using the noun "Democrat" in lieu of the related adjective "Democratic". Thus poster will write about "the Democrat party". Now Republican is both a noun and an adjective. Democrat is not. Using "Democrat" as an adjective merely makes one look uneducated and in fact stupid.

That's all.
Why does it not work as a different means of saying "the party of Democrats", ie, "the Democrat party"?

"Pick up the box of cigars"* ... "pick up the cigar box". Same idea, isn't it?

Hopefully, both the Ds and the Rs are democratic. Well, I mean, in spirit. In truth they're not, but you know what I mean.


*Clinton, '96.
... yes, it's a joke. Chill out.
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Jeremy, no one is a democrat.

Just ask. No one will embrace them.

Around here, in RSP, they are merely the best of 2 bad choices.

There are probably less than a dozen people here who identify as Democratics. Also note there are probably fewer than that who claim Republics.


If you think about the issues enough to want to argue about them on the internet with randos, you might not line up all that well with a political party.
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Libs have nothing better to do than feel superior about stuff that doesn't matter.

you make feeling superior very easy
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linguistfromhell wrote:
Hopefully, both the Ds and the Rs are democratic. Well, I mean, in spirit. In truth they're not, but you know what I mean.

From Hell, indeed: The United States is a republic, very much not a democracy.
 
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Koldfoot wrote:
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Jeremy, no one is a democrat.

Just ask. No one will embrace them.

Around here, in RSP, they are merely the best of 2 bad choices.

There are probably less than a dozen people here who identify as Democratics. Also note there are probably fewer than that who claim Republics.


If you think about the issues enough to want to argue about them on the internet with randos, you might not line up all that well with a political party.

Before I thumb I need to know what a randos is.


A "rando" is some random person on the internet, that's all. (Or sometimes just a random person in general.)
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Hopefully, both the Ds and the Rs are democratic. Well, I mean, in spirit. In truth they're not, but you know what I mean.

From Hell, indeed: The United States is a republic, very much not a democracy.
Yes, thank you. I am well aware. But it is a democratic republic and besides, I was describing the individual parties and not the overall country in general.

Never mind that that entire line was meant to be taken as a joke.
 
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"Democratic republic" could be shortened to "Republic" and have the same meaning.


That is not true.

Venice was a repubic and not in the slightest a democracy.
Likewise Roman Republic (except very briefly under Grachii) and, for most part, Dutch Republic.
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Using "Democrat" in place of "Democratic" as a deliberate insult is basically an institution among Republicans. It's been going on longer than I've been alive, certainly.
Considering that the Democrat Party doesn't seem particularly keen on democracy anymore I don't mind this term.

I still think they're the lesser of two evils though.
 
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Koldfoot wrote:
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"Democratic republic" could be shortened to "Republic" and have the same meaning.


That is not true.

Venice was a repubic and not in the slightest a democracy.
Likewise Roman Republic (except very briefly under Grachii) and, for most part, Dutch Republic.


Yeah. I think North Korea is a Republic too.

That invalidates everything.


OR you don't understand the word "Republic".
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OR you don't understand the word "*******".



Keep that on your clipboard for easy use.
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The Classical meaning of Republic was essentially like an oligarchy except that the voting base was large enough to pretend it represented the majority of the population. It typically involved a form of representative democracy which is all the term means normally anymore. Thus in modern parlance a Republic and a Democracy are essentially synonymous.
 
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whac3 wrote:
For some time in recent years, a fashion has come into US political parlance which I simply find bizarre-- using the noun "Democrat" in lieu of the related adjective "Democratic". Thus poster will write about "the Democrat party". Now Republican is both a noun and an adjective. Democrat is not. Using "Democrat" as an adjective merely makes one look uneducated and in fact stupid.

That's all.


If you note the people who use it are by and large douche bags who think it's clever. Whatever... let them have their little inbred "tee-hee's". In the end it's more than just saying "Democrat Party" that makes them look stupid.
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whac3 wrote:
The Classical meaning of Republic was essentially like an oligarchy except that the voting base was large enough to pretend it represented the majority of the population. It typically involved a form of representative democracy which is all the term means normally anymore. Thus in modern parlance a Republic and a Democracy are essentially synonymous.


Only in limited usage - because modern western countries are generally both republics and democracies.

Republic means that the leadership is not for life and that it changes hands according to some sort of legally established selective procedure. Democracy means that selective procedure involves participation of some substantial fraction of the citizenry.

Modern China (from Deng onwards) is an example of a republic that is not also a democracy. Their selective system is well regulated and not arbitrary, but is by no means democratic.

North Korea - contrary to Koldie - is for all intents and purposes a hereditary monarchy as their leadership is inherited and for life.

'Republic' and 'Democracy' are two different words for a reason.
I may as well insist that meat means beef and reject all the examples of, say, pork as not being "really" meat.

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North Korea - contrary to Koldie - is for all intents and purposes a hereditary monarchy as their leadership is inherited and for life.

its even for after life because kim il-sung is the "eternal president of the republic"
 
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Republics are good for early game growth, and good at providing trade. Democracy is a much later game possibility, with lots of new abilities. It makes your units immune to bribery and cuts down on corruption or waste.

Both make waging war more difficult, but democracy much, much more so.
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whac3 wrote:
For some time in recent years, a fashion has come into US political parlance which I simply find bizarre-- using the noun "Democrat" in lieu of the related adjective "Democratic". Thus poster will write about "the Democrat party". Now Republican is both a noun and an adjective. Democrat is not. Using "Democrat" as an adjective merely makes one look uneducated and in fact stupid.

That's all.


Have we come to an agreement about whether or not periods should be inside or outside of quotation marks yet?
 
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whac3 wrote:
For some time in recent years, a fashion has come into US political parlance which I simply find bizarre-- using the noun "Democrat" in lieu of the related adjective "Democratic". Thus poster will write about "the Democrat party". Now Republican is both a noun and an adjective. Democrat is not. Using "Democrat" as an adjective merely makes one look uneducated and in fact stupid.

That's all.


Have we come to an agreement about whether or not periods should be inside or outside of quotation marks yet?

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whac3 wrote:
For some time in recent years, a fashion has come into US political parlance which I simply find bizarre-- using the noun "Democrat" in lieu of the related adjective "Democratic". Thus poster will write about "the Democrat party". Now Republican is both a noun and an adjective. Democrat is not. Using "Democrat" as an adjective merely makes one look uneducated and in fact stupid.

That's all.


Have we come to an agreement about whether or not periods should be inside or outside of quotation marks yet?

If the statement inside the quotation marks is a complete sentence then yes it gets a full stop and if not no it doesn't.
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