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Jonathan Er
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Just managed to play a few games of between two cities
Really loved it!
Might be my new go to game for big groups and those who are not too into cooperative games. I loved the partnerships cooperative aspect. Refreshing

I did have a slight nagging feeling on the final scores though. They always came down to tiebreakers. Its exciting but can also be frustrating if it always came down to that

Was just thinking if having mini goal cards could change that up?
Like each individual having a card that says maybe "+1 for the player for each shop house in 1 chosen city" or "+5 for the player for having the most factories in one of his/her cities"

So with the cards they will still take the lower scoring city but also add additional points for that player only for fulfilling the mini goal
I feel that might make the scores significantly different which would result in less tie breaks and also force a difficult cooperative decision between the player and his/her partners.
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It would need some serious play testing. Seems like it might upset scoring but worth a look.

P.S. I have no problem with games coming down to tie breakers
 
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Jonathan: We found that ties happen in 30-40% of games, which means that your second city is quite important.

The designers did test secret goals, but they found that doing something like that--even something small--had a really negative impact on the way the partnerships worked. The game hinges on trusting your partners to act in a mutually beneficial way for the both of you, and secret goals ruined that trust.

Also, the designers want to give the freedom of creation via a blank slate to players each and every game. They found that when players had secret goals, they became really focused on maximizing the goals--subconsciously they lost that freedom to create something of their own design.
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Excellent. Already playtested
 
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what about shared secret goals between players....Haven't played it yet, so probably wouldn't work....but thought I would mention the idea.
 
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That wouldn't violate the first concern, but it still applies to the second one. I think Ben and Matthew tested that too, and they found that players had more fun when they had the freedom to decide what to do with the tiles they were passed instead of the game telling them what to do.
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Thanks Jamey!
Makes sense to me. Have considered that goals would skew the way a player would like to build a city. Just thought the decision between personal goals and betterment of the city might have been a tough decision on the player's part. But since it's been tested, I stand corrected!

So, any expansion plans?
 
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Yes, the designers are working on a 1900s expansion where you finish the core game and then continue to build on the original cities you built.
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jameystegmaier wrote:
Yes, the designers are working on a 1900s expansion where you finish the core game and then continue to build on the original cities you built.


Nice !
Sounds sweet


Thanks !
 
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jameystegmaier wrote:
Yes, the designers are working on a 1900s expansion where you finish the core game and then continue to build on the original cities you built.


Played this at GenCon, it was interesting. I liked the idea of stackable highrise-type buildings and how overlooking parks gave it bonuses, and some buildings got bonuses for being next to earlier-generation buildings.
 
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Also playtested it at GenCon. Our regular game ended with all 7 players bunched within 1 pt of each other. The expansion totally blew things open and was a nice extension of the base game.
 
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Not sure about an expansion. I really just want a Medieval (doesn't need to be fantasy) or a scifi skin for this!
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fubarbox wrote:
Not sure about an expansion. I really just want a Medieval (doesn't need to be fantasy) or a scifi skin for this!


Something like.... Between Two Stars? https://twitter.com/NickFerris/status/612679778714427392
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