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There was some talk about creating a wiki page to give general info about the Ameritrash games so we don't have to point at threads or geeklists every time someone wants more information. I stubbed out a page with some general info. It's pretty sparse right now. Also, it's about as dry as a bone which we all know is not Ameritrash. There need to be some nukes and motorcycles in there somewhere. Anyhow, if you've got the time and interest, edit away:

http://www.boardgamegeek.com/wiki/page/Ameritrash
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Should the entry also have some standard definition added? e.g. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ameritrash
(I dunno)
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I appreciate everyone's attempts to classify this genre of games (that I happen to enjoy quite a bit), but are we really stuck with the name Ameritrash? It works as a description, I suppose, but it seems that the use of that term was designed to define the fans of the genre as a disaffected minority here trying to fight off attacking Eurogamers. Do any of the fans of the genre have a different term that seems less bitter?

I apologize if the topic of the name has been covered ad nauseam already.
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latindog wrote:
I appreciate everyone's attempts to classify this genre of games (that I happen to enjoy quite a bit), but are we really stuck with the name Ameritrash? It works as a description, I suppose, but it seems that the use of that term was designed to define the fans of the genre as a disaffected minority here trying to fight off attacking Eurogamers. Do any of the fans of the genre have a different term that seems less bitter?

I apologize if the topic of the name has been covered ad nauseam already.


It has been discussed.

And I personally love the name.
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It has been discussed.

And I personally hate the name.

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An excellent start. I wish we could get people to start calling these "Amerigames", though.
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bill_andel wrote:
An excellent start. I wish we could get people to start calling these "Amerigames", though.


Or AmeriClassics?
Or AmeriQuality?
Or AmeriFun?
Or AmeriBadMammaJammas?

I don't know. I like it when someone uses the terms "AmeriTrash" or "EuroSnoot", with all sincerity, to describe a game. That person allows me to know just how dull they are. I only wish more people would come out and be more clear about their true mental and social capacities before I got to know them. It makes things so much easier.
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I went through and formatted a wee bit of the text to make it more readable. Having that massive chunk of info without breaks was painful to scan/read through.
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How about "Bad Ass Games" (BAGs)?
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joebelanger wrote:
bill_andel wrote:
An excellent start. I wish we could get people to start calling these "Amerigames", though.


Or AmeriClassics?
Or AmeriQuality?
Or AmeriFun?
Or AmeriBadMammaJammas?

I don't know. I like it when someone uses the terms "AmeriTrash" or "EuroSnoot", with all sincerity, to describe a game. That person allows me to know just how dull they are. I only wish more people would come out and be more clear about their true mental and social capacities before I got to know them. It makes things so much easier.


Yeah, I'm glad you have the great mental capacity to judge an entire IQ of someone based on a nickname coined to a game. We aren't worthy of your obviously enlightened views on personalities and intelligence.

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This is a great set of info about these games. Thank you for adding it to the wiki.
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thanks a lot ROB
 
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Weapon wrote:
joebelanger wrote:
bill_andel wrote:
An excellent start. I wish we could get people to start calling these "Amerigames", though.


Or AmeriClassics?
Or AmeriQuality?
Or AmeriFun?
Or AmeriBadMammaJammas?

I don't know. I like it when someone uses the terms "AmeriTrash" or "EuroSnoot", with all sincerity, to describe a game. That person allows me to know just how dull they are. I only wish more people would come out and be more clear about their true mental and social capacities before I got to know them. It makes things so much easier.


Yeah, I'm glad you have the great mental capacity to judge an entire IQ of someone based on a nickname coined to a game. We aren't worthy of your obviously enlightened views on personalities and intelligence.



Thank you. You couldn't have made that any easier for me.
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Hmm...alright Ameritrash.

Drama, Elegance and Realism all appeal to me. But if I were to drop one then it would be realism. No sense being realistic if it isn't fun. Drama and Elegance...I guess hybrids would appeal most to me, because a dramatic yet bloated endless wreck of a game wouldn't appeal to me; while on the other hand an elegant yet dry and boring game wouldn't either.

Conflict, dice, theme, nukes, title, chrome, minis...I'm cool with (as long as I don't have to paint anything). Player elimination is alright, though if there were a way to prevent it without either making 90% of the game worthless except for the final moments, or allowing players to stay along with no help of winning (creating kingmaking opportunities)...then I'd be cool with it.

Long playing time...hmm. Unfotunately for me, I don't know anyone who can sit still for more than an hour or 2. I would be up for a say...4-8 hour game of conquest though; but nothing that realistically takes longer than a day to play. "Let's just leave it set up like this and come back tomorrow"...no thank you. I've played 14 hour games of Civilization and guess what...by the end you're just hoping it will end. There isn't a cardboard box in the world with 14 hours of game in it.

Imbalance, kingmaking, ganging up. This is where Ameritrash falls down for me. Something like Diplomacy is probably the last thing I would ever want to play. That seems more like a popularity contest than a game. Why not just forget the game and everyone just secretly write a name down. Then each round whoever got the least votes is out of the game. Then it only takes 5 minutes to arbitrarily hurt everyone's feelings instead of hours. I'd rather play something like Axis & Allies...with set sides. Hitler can't just decide to join the Americans in the middle of the game and that's the way I like it. I used to play D&D with people who would literally bring gifts for the DM each session. How do you think that turned out? No fun at all.

A short'ish Ameritrash with defined sides, and maybe some hybrid Euro stuff thrown in is I guess what I'd be into.
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Rob - Really a nice piece of work.

Thanks much.thumbsup
 
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Thanks much!

 
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A valiant effort!



Honestly, I think the article could say more if it was half as long.

I assume we're all free to pitch in and edit?

 
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Hungadunga wrote:
I assume we're all free to pitch in and edit?

Have at it!
 
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bill_andel wrote:
An excellent start. I wish we could get people to start calling these "Amerigames", though.


Hear hear. I certainly am not going to object to anyone calling the genre "Ameritrash", but I'm going to use "Amerigames" and think it's a great idea.
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robartin wrote:
Hungadunga wrote:
I assume we're all free to pitch in and edit?

Have at it!


One problem, a large chunk is attributed to a particular person, so editing it is changing their words. Is that section off limits or what?
 
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wargamer66 wrote:
robartin wrote:
Hungadunga wrote:
I assume we're all free to pitch in and edit?

Have at it!


One problem, a large chunk is attributed to a particular person, so editing it is changing their words. Is that section off limits or what?


I'm wondering if that entire section wouldn't be better off represented as a link to the post, with the main points summarized in the wiki?

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Thanks for the wiki, Robert.
 
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Octavian wrote:
I'm wondering if that entire section wouldn't be better off represented as a link to the post, with the main points summarized in the wiki?

That sounds like a good idea. It will shorten up the main article, which will allow more detail to be added there.
 
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mkgray wrote:
bill_andel wrote:
An excellent start. I wish we could get people to start calling these "Amerigames", though.


Hear hear. I certainly am not going to object to anyone calling the genre "Ameritrash", but I'm going to use "Amerigames" and think it's a great idea.


I would prefer that the term "Ameritrash" is not used.

As such, I'll also refer to games in this genre as "Amerigames".

Or maybe as Ameros?
 
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Or "Muros", as in 'Murrica.
 
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