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Okay, I'm purposely picking animals that weren't used in the first game.

5custom10{Dog;Frog;Horse;Monkey;Mouse;Ostrich;Ox;Rooster;Snake;Turtle} -> ( Rooster Rooster Mouse Frog Rooster) -> ( Rooster Rooster Mouse Frog Rooster)

Rerolling 1st duplicate 1custom7{Dog;Horse;Monkey;Ostrich;Ox;Snake;Turtle} -> ( Monkey) -> ( Monkey)
Rerolling 2nd duplicate 1custom6{Dog;Horse;Ostrich;Ox;Snake;Turtle} -> ( Horse) -> ( Horse)

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| | | X | | | | | | p | | | Horse
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5 | b | b | B | b | b | | | | | | | | | | X | | | | | | | | |
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4 | | | | | | Mouse Frog | | X | X | X | |
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3 | | | | | | | | | @ | | |
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2 | | | | | | Rooster Monkey | | | | | |
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A B C D E | | | | X | | | | | | X | |
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Mouse! Horse! Frog! Rooster! Monkey!

It's asymmetrical!
Alright. Bring it!
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Oh, and a move suggestion for y'all to contemplate while I sleep:

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Mouse a5a4
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To Play: White | | | | X | | | X | | | | X |
+---+---+---+---+---+ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
| | X | @ | X | | | | | | | |
+---+---+---+---+---+ +---+---+---+---+---+
| | X | | | | | | | p | | | Mouse
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5 | | b | B | b | b | | | | | | | | | | X | | | | | | | | |
+---+---+---+---+---+ +---+---+---+---+---+ +---+---+---+---+---+ +---+---+---+---+---+
4 | b | | | | | Rooster Frog | | | X | | |
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3 | | | | | | | X | | @ | | X |
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2 | | w | | | | Horse Monkey | | | | | |
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1 | | w | W | w | w | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
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A B C D E | | X | X | X | | | | | | X | |
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Errr, Monkey B1-C2?
I have the idea of setting up a wide firing alley with Horse, and then see what the AI does.
Who's with me?
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Rooster d5c4
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To Play: White | | X | | | | | X | | | | X |
+---+---+---+---+---+ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
| | X | @ | | | | | | | | |
+---+---+---+---+---+ +---+---+---+---+---+
| | X | | | | | | | p | | | Rooster
+---+---+---+---+---+ +---+---+---+---+---+ +---+---+---+---+---+ +---+---+---+---+---+
5 | | b | B | | b | | | | | | | | | | X | | | | | | | | |
+---+---+---+---+---+ +---+---+---+---+---+ +---+---+---+---+---+ +---+---+---+---+---+
4 | b | | b | | | Monkey Frog | | | | X | |
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3 | | | | | | | | X | @ | X | |
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2 | | w | w | | | Horse Mouse | | X | | | |
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1 | | | W | w | w | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
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A B C D E | | X | X | X | | | | | X | | |
+---+---+---+---+---+ +---+---+---+---+---+
| | | @ | | | | X | | @ | | X |
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Let's do some stuff out of left field.
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Monkey e5d4
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+---+---+---+---+---+ +---+---+---+---+---+
To Play: White | | | | | | | X | | | | X |
+---+---+---+---+---+ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
| X | | @ | | X | | | | | | |
+---+---+---+---+---+ +---+---+---+---+---+
| | | X | | | | | | p | | | Monkey
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5 | | b | B | | | | | | | | | | | | X | | | | | | | | |
+---+---+---+---+---+ +---+---+---+---+---+ +---+---+---+---+---+ +---+---+---+---+---+
4 | b | | b | b | | Mouse Frog | | | | X | |
+---+---+---+---+---+ +---+---+---+---+---+
3 | | | | | | | | | @ | X | |
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2 | | w | w | | | Horse Rooster | | | | X | |
+---+---+---+---+---+ +---+---+---+---+---+ +---+---+---+---+---+ +---+---+---+---+---+
1 | | w | W | | w | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
+---+---+---+---+---+ +---+---+---+---+---+ +---+---+---+---+---+ +---+---+---+---+---+
A B C D E | | X | X | X | | | | | | X | |
+---+---+---+---+---+ +---+---+---+---+---+
| | | @ | | | | | X | @ | X | |
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| | | | | | | | X | | | |
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Come here, you.

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And the wall is complete... Mouse b5b4
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To Play: White | | | | X | | | X | | | | X |
+---+---+---+---+---+ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
| | X | @ | X | | | | | | | |
+---+---+---+---+---+ +---+---+---+---+---+
| | X | | | | | | | p | | | Mouse
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5 | | | B | | | | | | | | | | | | X | | | | | | | | |
+---+---+---+---+---+ +---+---+---+---+---+ +---+---+---+---+---+ +---+---+---+---+---+
4 | b | b | b | b | | Rooster Frog | | | X | | |
+---+---+---+---+---+ +---+---+---+---+---+
3 | | | | | | | X | | @ | | X |
+---+---+---+---+---+ +---+---+---+---+---+
2 | | w | w | | | Horse Monkey | | | | | |
+---+---+---+---+---+ +---+---+---+---+---+ +---+---+---+---+---+ +---+---+---+---+---+
1 | | w | W | w | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
+---+---+---+---+---+ +---+---+---+---+---+ +---+---+---+---+---+ +---+---+---+---+---+
A B C D E | | X | X | X | | | | | | X | |
+---+---+---+---+---+ +---+---+---+---+---+
| | | @ | | | | | | @ | X | |
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Man, your AI is hogging that frog like I am hogging my horse.
It's almost as if we didn't WANT any dynamics in here.

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Looks like the AI heard your taunting...

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| | X | @ | X | | | | X | @ | | |
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| | X | | | | | | X | | | | Frog
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5 | | | B | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | X | | |
+---+---+---+---+---+ +---+---+---+---+---+ +---+---+---+---+---+ +---+---+---+---+---+
4 | | b | b | b | | Rooster Monkey | | | P | | |
+---+---+---+---+---+ +---+---+---+---+---+
3 | b | | | | | | | | | | |
+---+---+---+---+---+ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
2 | | w | w | | w | Horse Mouse | X | | | | X |
+---+---+---+---+---+ +---+---+---+---+---+ +---+---+---+---+---+ +---+---+---+---+---+
1 | | w | W | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | O | | |
+---+---+---+---+---+ +---+---+---+---+---+ +---+---+---+---+---+ +---+---+---+---+---+
A B C D E | | X | X | X | | | | | X | | |
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Just heard of this game, will gladly join the thinking later, but probably not today.
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Alright, haven't thought this through 100%, but then, I am not an AI.

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Rooster d4e4
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| | | @ | | | | | X | @ | | |
+---+---+---+---+---+ +---+---+---+---+---+
| | X | X | X | | | | X | | | | Rooster
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5 | | | B | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
+---+---+---+---+---+ +---+---+---+---+---+ +---+---+---+---+---+ +---+---+---+---+---+
4 | | b | b | | b | Horse Monkey | | | | X | |
+---+---+---+---+---+ +---+---+---+---+---+
3 | b | | | w | | | | X | @ | X | |
+---+---+---+---+---+ +---+---+---+---+---+
2 | | w | w | | | Frog Mouse | | X | | | |
+---+---+---+---+---+ +---+---+---+---+---+ +---+---+---+---+---+ +---+---+---+---+---+
1 | | w | W | | | | | | X | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
+---+---+---+---+---+ +---+---+---+---+---+ +---+---+---+---+---+ +---+---+---+---+---+
A B C D E | | | P | | | | | | X | | |
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| X | | | | X | | | | | | |
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Frog b2-b3. Alea iacta est.
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Monkey c4b3
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| | X | X | X | | | | | p | | | Monkey
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+---+---+---+---+---+ +---+---+---+---+---+ +---+---+---+---+---+ +---+---+---+---+---+
4 | | b | | | b | Horse Frog | | | | X | |
+---+---+---+---+---+ +---+---+---+---+---+
3 | b | b | | w | | | | | @ | X | |
+---+---+---+---+---+ +---+---+---+---+---+
2 | | | w | | | Rooster Mouse | | | | X | |
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1 | | w | W | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
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A B C D E | | | | X | | | | | X | | |
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Now I have to follow through with the plan, of course.

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Againsto wrote:
Now I have to follow through with the plan, of course.

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That's a different plan than the one I thought you were following, but I do agree...
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Horse b3c2
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+---+---+---+---+---+ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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| | X | | | | | | | p | | | Horse
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5 | | | B | | | | | | | | | | | | X | | | | | | | | |
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4 | | b | | | w | Rooster Frog | | X | X | X | |
+---+---+---+---+---+ +---+---+---+---+---+
3 | b | | | | | | | | @ | | |
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2 | | | b | | | Monkey Mouse | | | | | |
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1 | | w | W | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
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B1-C2 seems like the most meaningful option. Curious to see whether the AI will jump to E4 then. But if we move our king forward instead, we lose the mouse, which doesn't sou8nd healthy to me, either. What do you think?
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Let's think this through (a little).
Imagine B1-C2 (Monkey). We receive the mighty horse. Then he can (finally!) use the frog to kill the guy on E4. As much as I'd love to move our boss forward and onward, I think our little operator will take it from there, controlling the board with the mouse, and the boos does whatever else. And It's great to give the Monkey to the AI, then it's really limited in its options.

Imagine C1-C2 (Mouse). We have our man on the road, and he's got a Horse and Mouse, he's awesome. And he's getting Frog - which is mediocre for him. But it's only three more steps to victory! But the AI can still kill the old way (on E4), and then he's got those two left-bound beasts... It's more aggressive (even more!!!), but maybe too risky.

Let's do B1-C2. Then, we might actually be happy about receiving the Frog.
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As expected, Frog c5e4
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So C3 now?
 
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I think so. But I noticed you carefully avoided suggesting which card we might use. Le sigh.

But let's slow down a little. How about Mouse C2-E2?
 
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