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Paul Cockburn
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In the book of worlds, when a module is at the top of the page it is called TOP I, in the middle TOP II and at the bottom TOP III.

I understand the difference between these three. I'm not confused by the rules, but by the naming convention. Why is the bottom of the page called TOP III? Is TOP a TLA (Three-Letter Abbreviation)? Should I pronounce it "top" or "tee oh pee"?

Basically I'm asking what TOP means. And if it means 'top' (i.e the upper part of something), then in what sense are TOP II and TOP III at the top?
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It does not mean top
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DukeOfEarl wrote:
"TOP" is often used in meetings in Germany. It means "Tagesordnungspunkt", literally "point of order of the day".

Each agenda bullet point in a meeting is a "TOP".


To be quite frank, this seems to be another case of language confusion which could have been avoided with a better translation term. Just like the "steps" in Power Grid, which really should have been translated as "levels".

from https://boardgamegeek.com/article/20267752#20267752
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Henning from 2F has a different explanation in Re: 504 - rules available.

Henning wrote:
The usage of "TOP" (not "top") is an abbreviation for "topic" (in other words point of order).

As the game "504" uses so many priorities (for choosing maps, player order, the order of the modules in a game), we needed to use this key word "TOP" for the order of modules.

Hopefully this makes sense!

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The best translation to English might be ITEM.

The people who used it in the English translation apparently thought that (1) English speakers would think "Topic" when they see "TOP", and (2) English speakers would understand this usage of the word "Topic". Unfortunately, neither is really true.
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ITEM would match the German Tagesordnungspunkt, but why not just call it "position"? (with POS as the abbreviation if necessary)

The module in POS 1 determines the VP, 9 in POS has rather complicated income rules, etc.
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DaviddesJ wrote:
The best translation to English might be ITEM.

Better than "TOP", for sure.

Maybe "element", "aspect" or "module", though?
 
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...or even "slot".

I'm not even completely clear whether a "TOP" is one of the three "slots" for "modules", or one of the "modules" which is put into a "slot".
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I like slot.

Anything but TOP. whistle
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Such a seemingly small oversight... but so critical in a game with as many complex interlocking parts as this one. Isn't the first or last time this will be questioned, for sure.
 
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Vertaler wrote:
ITEM would match the German Tagesordnungspunkt, but why not just call it "position"? (with POS as the abbreviation if necessary)

The module in POS 1 determines the VP, 9 in POS has rather complicated income rules, etc.


Unfortunately, I usually see "POS" as an abbreviation for "piece of shit", which is probably not an image they want to go for here.
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russ wrote:
Vertaler wrote:
ITEM would match the German Tagesordnungspunkt, but why not just call it "position"? (with POS as the abbreviation if necessary)

The module in POS 1 determines the VP, 9 in POS has rather complicated income rules, etc.


Unfortunately, I usually see "POS" as an abbreviation for "piece of shit", which is probably not an image they want to go for here.

Context is king

I was excited about the amount of Perry Bible Fellowship supporters in the 504 forums until I realized people were talking about Play-by-Forum games.
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Thanks everyone for those helpful answers. My quest for enlightenment is fulfilled. I can carry on playing the game without any further concern over nomenclature.
 
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TOP means Slot
 
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