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Renato Corrêa
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Stronghold or Quined Games? I know about the incompatibility between the Cults and Culture expansion and the Quined Games edition, but right now I am only interested in the base game. So my worries are all about the component quality.

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The Quined base game has cardboard player mats. The Stronghold edition has cardstock player mats. I don't see this as a big deal since it lies on the table flat.

Quined has hobbit sized Wonder cards. The Stronghold edition has normal sized Wonder cards.

I can't comment on card quality since I sleeve my cards. i do know The Stronghold edition has linen finish, which is probably better than the Quined version.

I think I prefer the Quined edition. Stronghold may be better if you don't sleeve your cards. That Stronghold cover is much more ugly than the Quined version. You can say it's irrelevant to component quality, but it is a component and the art is better quality. I think friends would be vastly more interested in the game the Quined cover is portraying.
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Renato Corrêa
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Mark, have you already played the expansion? If yes, what do you think about it?

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I have Quined version, the upgrade kit and the expansion. My vote would go to the Quined version.

- I especially like the beter game boards.

- The larger wonder cards in the Stronghold edition are a nice idea but they just up scaled the art so it's larger but not much clearer plus the cards take up more space. I'm in the habit of having these cards in the same row as the building cards. The building cards are stil small size so my row doesn't look tidy anymore.

- I'm not a fan of linen finish. I get more glare problems with them.

The expansion adds lots of interesting new options and backstory to your civilization but I guess I didn't play the base game enough yo get most out of it. At the moment adding the expansion adds to much complexity to the game. I'm AP prone and having all those added options destroys the game flow for me. I like the idea of having the expansion on my shelves for that moment when I have fully explored the base game.
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Renato99 wrote:
Mark, have you already played the expansion? If yes, what do you think about it?

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I have it but I won't get a chance to play it until my school semester ends in December.
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(I have the Quined edition and the Stronghold produced expansion with a compatibility deck of cards in the new size as some context to my comments.)

Box: Oh my god am I glad that I got the Quined edition. Comically awful Stronghold version, especially when you see the original.

It may seem like it shouldn't make a difference but the cardstock player board does. It has less weight, and the shiny reverse side means it slides around a fair amount. Given how irritating it is to have the chits on top slide about, I'm likely to never use the 5 player board until I can mount it onto something suitable. Felt even!

The card difference leave me conflicted. The quality is similar enough that it's not worth commenting on, so that leaves size. I prefer to shuffle and handle larger cards BUT in this game, where you will place the cards next to your boards, it's just more convenient to have smaller ones. Plus, it seems that the Stronghold versions of the base cards is a literal "scale image" job and the lack of print resolution is really obvious. I'll have to give it to the smaller cards overall.

The wood pieces and chits seemed to be of a similar weight and handle in a similar fashion so they're even there. The extra map tiles fit in well and the meeples don't look out of place.

So, sadly, Quined really made the better choices but I am very glad that Stronghold is keeping this excellent game in print with an expansion with comparable components.
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Where were you guys able to get the compatibility deck? Was it Essen? Because I haven't seen it on the stronghold website...
 
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wildpygmy wrote:
Where were you guys able to get the compatibility deck? Was it Essen? Because I haven't seen it on the stronghold website...
A friend bought the pack for me at Essen and sent it to me. It may yet appear for sale someplace.
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benosteen wrote:
wildpygmy wrote:
Where were you guys able to get the compatibility deck? Was it Essen? Because I haven't seen it on the stronghold website...
A friend bought the pack for me at Essen and sent it to me. It may yet appear for sale someplace.
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So I bought the Quined version. I am glad for the box is really beautiful and the game is really good.

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PaulGrogan wrote:
benosteen wrote:
wildpygmy wrote:
Where were you guys able to get the compatibility deck? Was it Essen? Because I haven't seen it on the stronghold website...
A friend bought the pack for me at Essen and sent it to me. It may yet appear for sale someplace.
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Heh, just spotted this! Yes and thank you!
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Renato99 wrote:
So I bought the Quined version. I am glad for the box is really beautiful and the game is really good.

I actually have always thought the box was very boring, which doesn't stop me from enjoying the game. OTOH, the new box is just plain hideous, IMO.
 
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Count me as one person that loves the Stronghold cover. Alexandre Roche is one of my favorite game illustrators. His work has a quirkiness, and quality that a lot of the game industry just lacks. The Quined edition is a little bit more expected, and cliched, and lacks his style. Both editions are nice, but I just prefer the Stronghold edition.
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