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UA Darth
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Does anyone feel like the 1st player has an advantage since if they end the game, it will have meant that they had one extra turn beyond their opponents?

I houseruled this problem out of dominion by simply giginvg each player a final turn, finishing the player order.
 
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Daniel B-G
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Disagree.

The players each have an equal number of actions. In 2 player, the starting player will get 1 action, then the second player will get 2 actions.

In 3 player, the first player gets 1, second player 2, third player 3, so the person in 3rd place has an overall action advantage against the starting player in all circumstances and the second player in a two thirds of all end games.

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DAAAN wrote:
Disagree.

The players each have an equal number of actions. In 2 player, the starting player will get 1 action, then the second player will get 2 actions.

In 3 player, the first player gets 1, second player 2, third player 3, so the person in 3rd place has an overall action advantage against the starting player in all circumstances and the second player in a two thirds of all end games.

One advantage of going first is having first access to the floor- which, depending on what cards were flipped initially, and what's in the first players hand, may not even be an advantage.

Other than that I feel the first player tends to have a slower start since they begin with fewer actions than subsequent players.

edit: although I suppose you could always choose not to play a task, pray, and give the "first play" role to the next player with an extra card in your own hand. So having that choice is its own advantage.
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UA Darth
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Good points. Thanks!
 
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We dislike going first so much that when we determine who the starting player is (roshambo), the loser is determined to be the first player
 
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Brodie17 wrote:
We dislike going first so much that when we determine who the starting player is (roshambo), the loser is determined to be the first player
You may have realized this and chosen create a house rule... but when my group first started playing it took a few rounds before we understood how to choose starting player. From the rules:

"To see who goes first, each player draws and discards the top card of the deck to form the floor. The
player that discarded the closest card to A alphabetically goes first."

This gets cards on the floor so everyone has something to work with the first round.
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Players also get a face-down 'task' which will be dropped to the floor upon starting their turn. So P1 will always have three (3) cards on the floor to potentially access.
 
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astroglide wrote:
Players also get a face-down 'task' which will be dropped to the floor upon starting their turn. So P1 will always have three (3) cards on the floor to potentially access.
4, actually. You start with 3 on the floor, and 3 facedown tasks. Player 1 discards their facedown task to the floor, making 4 cards there. Depending on their action, and if it involves one of the floor cards, there will be 5 for player 2's action, or at least 4, since their task will be tossed.

I play with 3 people typically. So it's actually 1 + #players. If you're playing with 2, it'll be 3. If you're playing with 5, it'll be a whopping 6.
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