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Bryce K. Nielsen
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Got a State Cup coming up (local thing fans are putting together in Utah), and I really like 4 Y-Wings w/turrets. I haven't used the new TLTs though yet, so I'm considering the Thugs with TLTs and Agromechs. My real question, would you leave the turrets as turrets, or would you throw on the BTL title to get extra attacks?

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Leave them as turrets.

Thing with TLTs is that they do damage very slowly. It's CONSISTENT damage, and very hard to dodge, but it just accumulates really, really slowly. So you have to keep the weapon on the target turn after turn after turn to kill it.

Which really doesn't pair well with having to keep the target in your forward arc.
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shnar wrote:
Got a State Cup coming up (local thing fans are putting together in Utah), and I really like 4 Y-Wings w/turrets. I haven't used the new TLTs though yet, so I'm considering the Thugs with TLTs and Agromechs. My real question, would you leave the turrets as turrets, or would you throw on the BTL title to get extra attacks?

-shnar
I'd run with Unhinged over Agromechs. Those green 3s are incredible.
If you fly them with the titles make sure you get plenty of practice. It's much harder to fly well than the non-title version. But when flown well it's devastating.
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I meant the Unhinged Agromechs, I keep confusing Agromech with Salvaged in my head for some reason. I love getting Green 3s. Last year, I tried doing 4Ys w/Astromech and Ion Turrets and loved it, but while it controlled the board it just never did enough damage to win tournaments. With the BTL title, I've been tempted to fly 4 Thugs w/Unhinged and Ions and BTLs, the extra attack is enough to make this a good tournament list, but now I'm considering TLTs, even more damage.

Having just watched Paul at Worlds though, I'm wondering if having a stressbot in a list of Ys wouldn't be better. Something like:
- Gold Wing w/R3-A2, TLT, BTL
- Gold Wing w/R2 Astro, Ion Turret, BTL
- Gold Wing w/R2 Astro, Ion Turret, BTL
- Gold Wing w/R2 Astro, Ion Turret, BTL

Maybe drop one of the BTLs to have a turretable ION, or have just 2 IONs and 2 TLTs...

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Using BTL/A4 means you have to keep a target in arc, which is probably going to be difficult with low PS Y-Wings. If you have great confidence in your maneuvering, go with the title. Otherwise, keep the turrets.

There's some interesting discussion on the latest Scum & Villainy and NOVA Squadron podcasts about quad TLTs. Doug Kinney went on record as saying they won't make top 16 at Worlds. Very good players know how to handle TLTs.
 
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Maybe split the difference and run two with and two without - try and keep things in your front arc and you can really push out some serious damage.

Worlds has been pretty interesting.

Rebels doing well and a triple K-Wing build has been pretty amazing (Kinetic Operator).

Paul Heaver is 8-0 with a modified win with a Poe, 2xTLT, Z list.
 
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I've been watching worlds, and the TripleK is very tempting. Simple, elegant, easy to fly, etc. So while no Quad TLT made it to top 16, a Tri TLT did

Here's another list I've been debating:
- Poe Dameron w/R5-P9, Predator, Autothrusters
- Esege Tuketu (K-Wing) w/TLT and Tactician
- Gold Squadron w/R3-A2 and Ion Cannon

So a lot of stress with a good finisher, and lots of damage to eat through. I've never flowing the T-70s though, so that's always risky to take to a tournament (not being familiar with dial/etc).

-shnar

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Masterhit wrote:
Maybe split the difference and run two with and two without - try and keep things in your front arc and you can really push out some serious damage.

Worlds has been pretty interesting.

Rebels doing well and a triple K-Wing build has been pretty amazing (Kinetic Operator).

Paul Heaver is 8-0 with a modified win with a Poe, 2xTLT, Z list.
Is there any posting online yet that lists the top 16 squads?
 
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There was a quad TLT list that did really well that had no titles and Unhinged Astromechs. I would say if you want to run the title, mix it, run one or 2 with it and the rest without.
 
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There was one standard 4 thug TLT list that made top 8.

Here is the thread with the results.

https://community.fantasyflightgames.com/topic/192577-2015-w...
 
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Was it this one?

Quote:
#15: (15th Swiss, 6-2, 30, 1114, 2.8) - Joshua Wicker
Gray + TLT + BTL-A4 + R3-A2
2x Gray + TLT + BTL-A4
Gold + Autoblaster
Not a standard 4 thug TLT, but nice to see 4 Y-Wings is an option

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Oh, wait, I see it:

Quote:
#7: (8th Swiss, 7-1 (1 mod win), 33, 1152, 2.8) - Przemyslaw Talach
4x Thug + TLT + Unhinged
So two 4 Y-Wing lists! Love it!

-shnar
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