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Throughout the years, I have disagreed with a great many folks born & raised in typical western democratic republics about a great many things. But there was only one subject upon which, not only did I disagree with the opposition, I didn't even understand its logic; to wit: The western leftist platform (or lack thereof) on private firearm ownership.

Socialism really does seem to brainwash citizenry into serfs. In addition to the usual collectivist economic outcomes (i.e., a slim few number of very wealthy folks & tons of impoverished masses), Europeans & Canadians seem lockstep in bemoaning the idea of free, law-abiding citizens defending themselves with modern small-arms.

I know these are large populations. Without looking up the numbers, it's a safe bet that Canada & Europe, summed together, likely sport a populous that doubles that of the USA. Therefore, one would think there are some few folks in all those untold millions that would espouse enjoying their own Second Amendment.

But I have yet to encounter one....even just one....in the cyber-world.

How is that possible?

Even more curious: Do they even believe their own spiel?

In the wake of this de-facto zombie-apocalypse that is the young-muslim-male-bum-rushing-European-borders phenomenon; & in turn, the related stories of all these Europeans (particularly shotgun-purchasing Austrian females) buying guns in much the same way one might expect as resultant of a zombie-apocalypse....I have to ask again:

Do these so-called "enlightened" Europeans themselves even believe their own anti-gun party-line?

If I was a European or Canadian, no matter what the law proscribed, I'd own at least one reliable semi-automatic centerfire pistol (e.g., .45 ACP, 9mm, or the like), at least 500 rounds, at least two spare magazines; & just make sure to keep real, real quiet about it.

I wonder how many other European & Canadian citizens have been doing exactly that for over a decade?

I'd bet my last dollar that that number is also in the millions. Sadly, I'd also bet it's not high enough in the millions to ensure the survival of a free state. But I pray I'm wrong.

Anyhow....Here's my question:

Are the Europeans & Canadians really as disarmed as the news-media would have me believe?
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In the wake of this de-facto zombie-apocalypse that is the young-muslim-male-bum-rushing-European-borders phenomenon
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Again I ask:

Are the Europeans & Canadians really as disarmed as the news-media would have me believe?
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4GodsS8k wrote:
In the wake of this de-facto zombie-apocalypse that is the young-muslim-male-bum-rushing-European-borders phenomenon
Because dirty Mexicans bringing in Ebola to the States had lost its shock value.
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Again I ask:

Are the Europeans & Canadians really as disarmed as the news-media would have me believe?
they dont seem as paranoid as you are thats for sure
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economic outcomes (i.e., a slim few number of very wealthy folks & tons of impoverished masses)
You're describing our current system. It's called capitalism not socialism.
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They are paranoid enough to buy all the guns up in Austria, Casey.

Did I ask an uncomfortable question?

I notice there's still nobody man enough to answer honestly.
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Adam lies. Capitalism creates wealth. Socialism destroys it. But still no one answers my question.
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They are paranoid enough to buy all the guns up in Austria.

Did I ask an uncomfortable question?

I notice there's still nobody man enough to answer honestly.
Or inebriated enough to take you seriously.
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Americans aren't really as armed as the news-media would have you believe.

Also sock puppets shouldn't threaten anyone's manliness.
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Americans aren't really as armed as the news-media would have you believe.

Also sock puppets shouldn't threaten anyone's manliness.
They don't. Trust me... they don't.
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Shotgun purchasing Austrian females are all drunk right now, Junior?
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4GodsS8k wrote:
I notice there's still nobody man enough to answer honestly.
id rather not be man enough else tstone would call me a pervert
 
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Suppose you're right, Lee. Suppose nobody in the USA really does own a gun (har de har har). Can I get an answer to my question now?
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4GodsS8k wrote:

I notice there's still nobody man enough to answer honestly.
Or no Europeans or Canadians have read your post on a Friday night.

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Can I get an answer to my question now?
if this is your source http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3291978/Shotguns-vir... it says austrians (pop 8.5 mil) own about 900k guns whereas over here 320 mil people own about 270 mil guns - if you know how ratios work youll find its quite the difference
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That's a possibility, Donald. But the more likely possibility is that few western non-Americans wish to directly answer this question....either in support of my proposition or against it.
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Yeah, Casey. I already read that. But I still wonder how many Canadian & European guns are "off the books," as they say.
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Yeah, Casey. I already read that. But I still wonder how many Canadian & European guns are "off the books," as they say.
why do you believe the police estimate would include only legal guns
 
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Perhaps I miss something, Casey. But my interpretation of those related articles was to count those Austrians who've gone through the process of obtaining firearms legally.

But even if the count does include illegal Austrian ownership (which I seriously doubt), it still begs the question as to how many folks in, say for example, London, England, are illegally keeping a semi-auto pistol in the flat, even though they're otherwise law-abiding.
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Are the Europeans & Canadians really as disarmed as the news-media would have me believe?
yes
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That's a possibility, Donald. But the more likely possibility is that few western non-Americans wish to directly answer this question....either in support of my proposition or against it.
You already have your mind made up what the answer is, why waste everyone's time asking the question? Would you believe anything anyone said that contradicts your conclusion?



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One vote for "yes." Thankyou for answering, J.
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Donald lies. I don't have my mind made up. I want an honest answer. It is true, however, that if I lived in such a place, I would own (at least) one whether it was legal or not.
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4GodsS8k wrote:
But even if the count does include illegal Austrian ownership (which I seriously doubt), it still begs the question as to how many folks in, say for example, London, England, are illegally keeping a semi-auto pistol in the flat, even though they're otherwise law-abiding.
the chance of a baddie being armed with a gun is lower never mind the crime rate is as well so the risk of keeping a weapon illegally may not be worth it
 
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