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Jon Reka
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Hi All,

I recently acquired a very old copy of Midway that has a lot of extras thrown in that I was not expecting (Pacific Theater Variant was the biggest). One of the thing I found was the hit record for a British & German variant dealing with the period 1939-1943ish. There were some home brew counters to go with it, but that was it. No search boards or time records nothing. I have never heard of of an actual variant on this topic, but I may have missed it.

Has anyone else ever seen or heard of one?
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I have never heard of this, but, it's a very intriguing idea though. I know I'd be interested in it. Good luck and have fun.
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You might try it with the Bismark '62 map or the Jutland map (though might be a bit small). There does not seem to be a BGG entry for either AH version Bismark. Good luck.
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plloyd1010 wrote:
You might try it with the Bismark '62 map or the Jutland map (though might be a bit small). There does not seem to be a BGG entry for either AH version Bismark. Good luck.
Bismarck

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I stand (actually sit) corrected, and so does my spelling.
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arrrh Jutland has additional vessels including USA from a General insert, and who wants to trade the articles/etc. for this, as I've got those and Hit/Fleet Composition pages?
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wolvesjr wrote:
One of the thing I found was the hit record for a British & German variant dealing with the period 1939-1943ish. There were some home brew counters to go with it, but that was it. No search boards or time records nothing. I have never heard of of an actual variant on this topic, but I may have missed it.
Can you up-load a scanning of hit records in the image section? So we can better understand and, in case, develop.
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Well once I was able to get this back out and look into the various papers more closely, it's a definite home brew set. It looks like he created a European strategic level game using the Midway rules. To give it more balance he added several German aircraft carriers to the mix in addition to the Graf Zeppelin. Land bases have coordinates and aircraft capacities. Unfortunately no map exists. A lot of thought went into it and there are rules for occupying minor countries, strategic bombers, aircraft building, and naval production. plloyd1010 was on the right track as the counters were taken from an image of the counters from Bismarck.

Definitely would like to have talked to this gentleman about his work, but the seller was not that individual.

Hit records have been scanned and will be uploaded soon
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You had 'moi' thinking upon this here then: Raiders of the North; as it covered much more than what you were given upon the entire matter. arrrh
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wolvesjr wrote:
Well once I was able to get this back out and look into the various papers more closely, it's a definite home brew set. It looks like he created a European strategic level game using the Midway rules. To give it more balance he added several German aircraft carriers to the mix in addition to the Graf Zeppelin.
I thought something like that.

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Land bases have coordinates and aircraft capacities. Unfortunately no map exists. A lot of thought went into it and there are rules for occupying minor countries, strategic bombers, aircraft building, and naval production.
If you have coordinates for the bases we can start thinking to redesign the map as I made with one for the Battle For Australia map and Hit record sheets. If you have scanned all these info and you are willing to share, I can send you a geekmail with my e-mail so we can start to work on them.

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plloyd1010 was on the right track as the counters were taken from an image of the counters from Bismarck.
I guessed this too since the tactical counters have the same style.

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Definitely would like to have talked to this gentleman about his work, but the seller was not that individual.
It happens. But you never know, may be he, or someone that played with him, will show up.

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Hit records have been scanned and will be uploaded soon
This is a good news. Waiting to see them.
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Perhaps we can run with this idea. Between Midway & the British Home Fleet variant, and the versions of Bismarck, and what Jon has, we could make a first class community variant.

AA factors are on the new version Bismarck ships, and are in line with Midway.
Surface factors are a matter of counting boxes.
Hull values already exist.


What would be needed would be good quality graphics and a redone map. (Paolo seems to have already signed up for the map.)
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plloyd1010 wrote:
What would be needed would be good quality graphics and a redone map. (Paolo seems to have already signed up for the map.)
I never thought that graphic is a must, but a final addition allowed by the technology that we can use now. Now, since you say that I've already signed for something, for what are you willing to sign for?
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BlackSheeper wrote:
If you have coordinates for the bases we can start thinking to redesign the map as I made with one for the Battle For Australia map and Hit record sheets. If you have scanned all these info and you are willing to share, I can send you a geekmail with my e-mail so we can start to work on them.
This was you, was it not?

I would probably the counters. I'm pretty good at those.I can trim out top-downs from the Bismarck counters I have. With a true pdf or vector drawing I could make something prettier.
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plloyd1010 wrote:
Perhaps we can run with this idea. Between Midway & the British Home Fleet variant, and the versions of Bismarck, and what Jon has, we could make a first class community variant.
The Midway & the British Home Fleet variant is present on the Wargamer's Guide to Midway too and gives you few more than the stats of the British ships and the rules for using them in the original Midway environment. So I wait for Jon's reply before deciding what to do.
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plloyd1010 wrote:
BlackSheeper wrote:
If you have coordinates for the bases we can start thinking to redesign the map as I made with one for the Battle For Australia map and Hit record sheets. If you have scanned all these info and you are willing to share, I can send you a geekmail with my e-mail so we can start to work on them.
This was you, was it not?
I said that if we have coordinates of bases we have a good starting point to recreate what Jon has described. But before running ahead I wait to have serious data, that I will always consider much more important than graphic.
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BlackSheeper wrote:
I said that if we have coordinates of bases we have a good starting point to recreate what Jon has described. But before running ahead I wait to have serious data, that I will always consider much more important than graphic.
Have you got the Bismarck maps? If not get the 62 version and 80 version. That is a good place to start. I myself would probably add a couple more bases.
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plloyd1010 wrote:
BlackSheeper wrote:
I said that if we have coordinates of bases we have a good starting point to recreate what Jon has described. But before running ahead I wait to have serious data, that I will always consider much more important than graphic.
Have you got the Bismarck maps? If not get the 62 version and 80 version. That is a good place to start. I myself would probably add a couple more bases.
I've Bismark, but I won't spend a second following your idea since I will wait the info from Jon. More over I've just re-read the Midway & the British Home Fleet and I found that it is good only for the ships' stats since it doesn't talk at all of the shorter range of the British planes.
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The documents have been sent for Mod approval so hopefully they will get posted sometime in the next week.

I'm 1000% in favor of running with this idea and will be happy to collaborate with you all to see what we can come up with.

I need to type up the rules as some of the documents that were created are rather faint at this point so they don't scan well. I'll upload that once I get that done.
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What about were you to take the 'scans' and open this within some 'paint app' and write over theirs with the appropriately sized font instead? You should be capable to utilize varying colours/styles/sizes in which to better accentuate or differentiate amongst it overall as well. Just "save" that as a PNG file, and a finalized copy SIZED at around what you would see, or as it should appear with being an entire papersheet/chart then.
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GROGnads wrote:
What about were you to take the 'scans' and open this within some 'paint app' and write over theirs with the appropriately sized font instead? You should be capable to utilize varying colours/styles/sizes in which to better accentuate or differentiate amongst it overall as well. Just "save" that as a PNG file, and a finalized copy SIZED at around what you would see, or as it should appear with being an entire papersheet/chart then.
The thing is all the rules are hand written on various sizes of paper, so it will be easier to type it all in. Now for the various hit records, we can definitely do something like that to make them more standard.
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Yes, that did seem much better then instead, while I've done what was described by 'moi' with my own 'typed' sort, mainly to correct misspellings from/for this of creation(s) decades ago.
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The documents have been sent for Mod approval so hopefully they will get posted sometime in the next week.

I'm 1000% in favor of running with this idea and will be happy to collaborate with you all to see what we can come up with.

I need to type up the rules as some of the documents that were created are rather faint at this point so they don't scan well. I'll upload that once I get that done.
Waiting to see what you found.
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Just a note following the publication of the announced file Midway British/German Variant For Blitzkrieg.
After downloading and opening it I saw that the coordinates of the cities are those of the cities of Blitzkrieg. More over the Hit Records and Aircraft Capacities sheets are labeled as Blue Many and Red Navy.
To let you better understand I've up-loaded the Red Navy Aircraft Capacities sheet. You can see, by going to check on the attached link to a Blitzkrieg map. The conclusion it that Jon has found a Naval module for Blitzkrieg based on the Midway game system. Here follow the links to the Red Navy Aircraft Capacities sheet and to the Blitzkrieg map.



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Thanks BlackSheeper. Through my many years of gaming Blitzkrieg was not a game I ever came across so I didn't recognize the Red/Blue references for what they were. Not sure where to go from here. Thought this may have been something really interesting.

Either way, here's what rules he came up with....

Fighters:
May attack bombers once before surface ships are attacked if there are more or as many defensive fighters. First there is a fighter combat round, then the remaining defensive fighters may attack the bombers at double strength. As long as defensive fighters have at least ½ as many factors as bombers they can attack at 1-1 odds. This attack, if any, is completed before bombers may attack surface ships. Remaining bombers may then attack.

Bombers:
May return fire at attacking fighters. If they were not accompanied by escorting fighters they return fire at ½ strength. If the bombers were escorted they return fire at normal strength. Only bomber factors (B or D) may bomb enemy cities.

Replacements:
Aircraft Cities:
Each “Air” city produces 4 factors per turn (unless bombed) beginning on the 5th turn. Once captured, these cities are no longer able to produce replacement aircraft. Type of aircraft created are chosen by the owning player (D,T,F, or B). Factors can be accumulated over multiple turns

Ground Units:
Ground units are replaced as a rate of 8 factors per turn beginning on the 5th turn. These units may start in any friendly home country city

Naval Cities:
Naval replacements are only produced in the 3 naval cities in the home country. New ship factors are accumulated at a rate of 2 factors per city, per turn beginning on the 5th turn. Naval cities that are captured are no longer capable of producing ships. Damaged ships repair at a rate of 2 points per turn while in a naval city. Damaged ships may not move until the turn after all damage is completely repaired.

Naval Cities Limitations Chart
3 - No Limitations
2 - No more than 15 ships at sea with no more than 5 ground units begin transported.
No sea zone limitations
1 - No more than 10 ships at sea with no more than 4 ground units begin transported.
Only can operate in a sea zone with a friendly port
0 – No naval movement possible

Oil Cities:
Each oil city dictates movement for friendly forces
3 – No limitations
2 - <=40 air factors, <=15 ships, Armor units movement reduced by 2.
1 - <=20 air factors, <=10 ships, Armor, airborne, artillery units move 1 - <=20 air factors, <=10 ships, Armor, airborne, artillery units move only 1 hex
0 - <=8 air factors, No naval movement, no armor, airborne, or artillery movement
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wolvesjr wrote:
Thanks BlackSheeper. Through my many years of gaming Blitzkrieg was not a game I ever came across so I didn't recognize the Red/Blue references for what they were. Not sure where to go from here. Thought this may have been something really interesting.
And it is!
Thanks for sharing that.

edit: Blitzkrieg fans (who are not also Midway fans) might be interested in this. Would you consider uploading it to Blitzkrieg's page?

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