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The lesson here is clear. Smoking can kill you. Not only did James Crutchfield endanger his own life by being a smoker, he also endangered the lives of innocent bystanders, including a 7 year old child.
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I wonder how many other self defense anecdotes boil down to this.

 
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Smoking killed my father, and raped my mother.
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It shouldn't be too long before this thread becomes a conversation of the "real" crime that the state confiscated her freedom tool.
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Why does this insane crap only happen in WalMart parking lots?
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I kept checking for the Onion IRL. Yeesh.
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cbazler wrote:
Why does this insane crap only happen in WalMart parking lots?
They are the kind of idiots that actually want guns for self defense?
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cbazler wrote:
Why does this insane crap only happen in WalMart parking lots?
And people wonder why I fought to keep a WalMart out of my neighborhood.
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GameCrossing wrote:
cbazler wrote:
Why does this insane crap only happen in WalMart parking lots?
And people wonder why I fought to keep a WalMart out of my neighborhood.
I think the last event where the woman shot at a fleeing shoplifter was a Home Depot. These big box stores are not only killing the small businesses of America they are spreading gun violence.
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GameCrossing wrote:
cbazler wrote:
Why does this insane crap only happen in WalMart parking lots?
And people wonder why I fought to keep a WalMart out of my neighborhood.
You NIMBY.
 
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Deleted112516 wrote:
GameCrossing wrote:
cbazler wrote:
Why does this insane crap only happen in WalMart parking lots?
And people wonder why I fought to keep a WalMart out of my neighborhood.
You NIMBY.
Damn skippy. Last thing I need is people wandering around my neighborhood asking me if I have a light. You forget... I'm a sheeple without a gun!
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Damn skippy. Last thing I need is people wandering around my neighborhood asking me if I have a light. You forget... I'm a sheeple without a gun!
Your post actually jogged my memory that my Stepdad was shot in the chest when I was a young kid in the 70's after someone asked him for a light and he didn't have one. It was on a street, not in a parking lot. It was just a 22 and he wasn't seriously hurt. Not sure if it is the whole story though, that is just what he told us how it happened. He might have been less then friendly in his reply when asked.
 
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Just absolutely glorious that the camera was there to catch this racist bitch making shit up.
 
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Good thing I got my vaporizer the other day. It's to smoke weed though. Never understood why people smoke cigarettes when they can smoke pot. Side effects lead you to be more relaxed and not want to shop at Walmart.

On a side note this lady looks rich, so I'm sure she'll get off. "I'm just an old white woman, look at how threatening this crazy black man is."
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TheChin! wrote:
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Damn skippy. Last thing I need is people wandering around my neighborhood asking me if I have a light. You forget... I'm a sheeple without a gun!
Your post actually jogged my memory that my Stepdad was shot in the chest when I was a young kid in the 70's after someone asked him for a light and he didn't have one. It was on a street, not in a parking lot. It was just a 22 and he wasn't seriously hurt. Not sure if it is the whole story though, that is just what he told us how it happened. He might have been less then friendly in his reply when asked.
Once back when I used to smoke, I was walking through South Harlem at 2:00 am (don't ask) and a woman asked me for a light. I handed my lighter to her and she proceeded to light her crack pipe, right there in front of me. She passed the lighter back, thanked me, and walked away. I've always wondered if I would have been held culpable if a cop had seen...
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She takes a good mug shot.

You can't minimize that.
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Once back when I used to smoke, I was walking through South Harlem at 2:00 am (don't ask) and a woman asked me for a light. I handed my lighter to her and she proceeded to light her crack pipe, right there in front of me. She passed the lighter back, thanked me, and walked away. I've always wondered if I would have been held culpable if a cop had seen...
I was driving with a friend to see a movie in college, when some jackass came flying through a stop sign and totally t-boned the car in front of us, causing it to end up in the ditch. The woman driving the car that was hit was hurt very badly, unconscious and bleeding. We call 911. The idiot that hit her was some guy in high school. It was apparent he was high as a kite. He attempted to go over to her door to drag her out. My friend and I basically had to drag him away before he hurt her.

Then he shoves his cigarette package at me, blubbering about how his dad is already going to kill him and he can't get caught with drugs on him. Yep, it's got cocaine in it. I drop it. The guy goes and stands in the middle of the road looking spaced out. The cops get there and I nod them towards the cocaine. D'oh.

I fucking could have killed the guy for trying to give his cocaine. He seriously thought a complete stranger was going to cover for him.
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Deleted112516 wrote:
cbazler wrote:


Once back when I used to smoke, I was walking through South Harlem at 2:00 am (don't ask) and a woman asked me for a light. I handed my lighter to her and she proceeded to light her crack pipe, right there in front of me. She passed the lighter back, thanked me, and walked away. I've always wondered if I would have been held culpable if a cop had seen...
I was driving with a friend to see a movie in college, when some jackass came flying through a stop sign and totally t-boned the car in front of us, causing it to end up in the ditch. The woman driving the car that was hit was hurt very badly, unconscious and bleeding. We call 911. The idiot that hit her was some guy in high school. It was apparent he was high as a kite. He attempted to go over to her door to drag her out. My friend and I basically had to drag him away before he hurt her.

Then he shoves his cigarette package at me, blubbering about how his dad is already going to kill him and he can't get caught with drugs on him. Yep, it's got cocaine in it. I drop it. The guy goes and stands in the middle of the road looking spaced out. The cops get there and I nod them towards the cocaine. D'oh.

I fucking could have killed the guy for trying to give his cocaine. He seriously thought a complete stranger was going to cover for him.
There's a derringer in my family that my grandfather received after he was hit by another car. The driver got out and gave him the gun, saying that he couldn't have it when the police arrived. He went along with it.
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Terwox wrote:
Deleted112516 wrote:
cbazler wrote:


Once back when I used to smoke, I was walking through South Harlem at 2:00 am (don't ask) and a woman asked me for a light. I handed my lighter to her and she proceeded to light her crack pipe, right there in front of me. She passed the lighter back, thanked me, and walked away. I've always wondered if I would have been held culpable if a cop had seen...
I was driving with a friend to see a movie in college, when some jackass came flying through a stop sign and totally t-boned the car in front of us, causing it to end up in the ditch. The woman driving the car that was hit was hurt very badly, unconscious and bleeding. We call 911. The idiot that hit her was some guy in high school. It was apparent he was high as a kite. He attempted to go over to her door to drag her out. My friend and I basically had to drag him away before he hurt her.

Then he shoves his cigarette package at me, blubbering about how his dad is already going to kill him and he can't get caught with drugs on him. Yep, it's got cocaine in it. I drop it. The guy goes and stands in the middle of the road looking spaced out. The cops get there and I nod them towards the cocaine. D'oh.

I fucking could have killed the guy for trying to give his cocaine. He seriously thought a complete stranger was going to cover for him.
There's a derringer in my family that my grandfather received after he was hit by another car. The driver got out and gave him the gun, saying that he couldn't have it when the police arrived. He went along with it.
Law abiding citizens have to stick together.
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Offbeat question

If a stand your own law was in effect and you had a gun and had witnessed the whole thing from the start.

Would you pull a gun on her to prevent her from shooting that man?

 
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North_Wolf wrote:
Offbeat question

If a stand your own law was in effect and you had a gun and had witnessed the whole thing from the start.

Would you pull a gun on her to prevent her from shooting that man?

No, as she did not shoot him. I would have done what he did, called the peelers.

What is not going to make this situation any better is everyone pulling guns.
 
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slatersteven wrote:
North_Wolf wrote:
Offbeat question

If a stand your own law was in effect and you had a gun and had witnessed the whole thing from the start.

Would you pull a gun on her to prevent her from shooting that man?

No, as she did not shoot him. I would have done what he did, called the peelers.

What is not going to make this situation any better is everyone pulling guns.
To be fair to the question, it assumes that you do not know that she will not shoot him.

The idea of stand your ground is to prevent death. So pulling a gun on her after she kills someone and drops her gun, would not an example of that (it would be a form of citizen arrest, and you could do that without a gun) or murder (if you simply shot her at that point).

 
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North_Wolf wrote:
slatersteven wrote:
North_Wolf wrote:
Offbeat question

If a stand your own law was in effect and you had a gun and had witnessed the whole thing from the start.

Would you pull a gun on her to prevent her from shooting that man?

No, as she did not shoot him. I would have done what he did, called the peelers.

What is not going to make this situation any better is everyone pulling guns.
To be fair to the question, it assumes that you do not know that she will not shoot him.

The idea of stand your ground is to prevent death. So pulling a gun on her after she kills someone and drops her gun, would not an example of that (it would be a form of citizen arrest, and you could do that without a gun) or murder (if you simply shot her at that point).

Odd then how often (if not the majority) it seems to be used to justify exactly that, a death.

This is one problem with stand your ground, she did not shoot him so pulling a gun on her would have made no difference to that, but does raise the rick of someone getting shot. I also have to wonder (again) how many stand your ground incidents (and remember, this is what she was doing, standing her ground against a perceived attack) did not prevent any shooting as the "criminal" was either no threat or would never have shot.

The difference here, is that she did not shoot and so we know the reality of the threat she was reacting to.

This all of course assume that drawing a gun on her would not cause her to shoot you.
 
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slatersteven wrote:
North_Wolf wrote:
slatersteven wrote:
North_Wolf wrote:
Offbeat question

If a stand your own law was in effect and you had a gun and had witnessed the whole thing from the start.

Would you pull a gun on her to prevent her from shooting that man?

No, as she did not shoot him. I would have done what he did, called the peelers.

What is not going to make this situation any better is everyone pulling guns.
To be fair to the question, it assumes that you do not know that she will not shoot him.

The idea of stand your ground is to prevent death. So pulling a gun on her after she kills someone and drops her gun, would not an example of that (it would be a form of citizen arrest, and you could do that without a gun) or murder (if you simply shot her at that point).

Odd then how often (if not the majority) it seems to be used to justify exactly that, a death.

This is one problem with stand your ground, she did not shoot him so pulling a gun on her would have made no difference to that, but does raise the rick of someone getting shot. I also have to wonder (again) how many stand your ground incidents (and remember, this is what she was doing, standing her ground against a perceived attack) did not prevent any shooting as the "criminal" was either no threat or would never have shot.

The difference here, is that she did not shoot and so we know the reality of the threat she was reacting to.

This all of course assume that drawing a gun on her would not cause her to shoot you.
I firmly believe that stand your ground laws are a bad thing and that is why I am so interested in pondering this.

The crux of the law is that if you see a mentally ill person with a firearm threatening to kill someone that is unarmed, you have the right to shoot and kill that person to save a life. This is the type of situation that the law is designed to deal with it seems.

At the same time the law seems to create situations where the ultimate threat to life (a drawn firearm) is present for dubious reasons.
 
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