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A recent thread elsewhere got me thinking, just how easy it is to make rules that are just designed to cause "debate". How hard is it to just try and think of a rule that will give offense for the sake of "being edgy" (and also if you know your rule is "being edgy" what does that say about your inclusion if it).

Here are a few examples I was not going to put in the other thread because I do not want a block.

You get victory points if you rape children (pretty edgy ehhh?).
In a train game (such as ticket to ride) add a card for Berlin to Auschwitz (pretty hipster ehh?).
In (say) a game on the gulf war given the US an extra unit called "USMC child murdering squad" (PRETTY FUNNY eH?)
In Munchkin add a card called "aborted fetus organ" that gives you an extra limb (pretty cool eh?)

Is it really that hard to be offensive for the sake of it? It's not big, it's not clever and it's not funny (or hipster) it's childish and pathetic.

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This quote seems kinda relevant...

"Comedians love to market themselves as “edgy” and “raw” for telling casually racist jokes, jokes about rape victims, jokes that skewer the oversensitive and “humorless.” But the reality is that none of that shit is “edgy.” You know who loves racism, hates women, and rails against political correctness 24/7? Rush Limbaugh. Ann Coulter. Your drunkest, shittiest grandpa. Comedy that targets marginalized groups isn’t daring, brave, or groundbreaking—it is conservative."
—Lindy West
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PandoraCaitiff wrote:
This quote seems kinda relevant...

"Comedians love to market themselves as “edgy” and “raw” for telling casually racist jokes, jokes about rape victims, jokes that skewer the oversensitive and “humorless.” But the reality is that none of that shit is “edgy.” You know who loves racism, hates women, and rails against political correctness 24/7? Rush Limbaugh. Ann Coulter. Your drunkest, shittiest grandpa. Comedy that targets marginalized groups isn’t daring, brave, or groundbreaking—it is conservative."
—Lindy West
Pretty much my take on it.
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I'm not sure how rehashing an idea from 1350AD is supposed to be edgy.
 
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PandoraCaitiff wrote:
This quote seems kinda relevant...

"Comedians love to market themselves as “edgy” and “raw” for telling casually racist jokes, jokes about rape victims, jokes that skewer the oversensitive and “humorless.” But the reality is that none of that shit is “edgy.” You know who loves racism, hates women, and rails against political correctness 24/7? Rush Limbaugh. Ann Coulter. Your drunkest, shittiest grandpa. Comedy that targets marginalized groups isn’t daring, brave, or groundbreaking—it is conservative."
—Lindy West
no it isnt conservative - conservatives used to be concerned about politeness the limbaughs of the world are nothing but right-wing assholes
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PandoraCaitiff wrote:
This quote seems kinda relevant...

"Comedians love to market themselves as “edgy” and “raw” for telling casually racist jokes, jokes about rape victims, jokes that skewer the oversensitive and “humorless.” But the reality is that none of that shit is “edgy.” You know who loves racism, hates women, and rails against political correctness 24/7? Rush Limbaugh. Ann Coulter. Your drunkest, shittiest grandpa. Comedy that targets marginalized groups isn’t daring, brave, or groundbreaking—it is conservative."
—Lindy West
That is an odd quote. I always thought 'edgy' to mean 'gets people on edge', which rude/racist jokes certainly manage to do...
 
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Borghal wrote:
PandoraCaitiff wrote:
This quote seems kinda relevant...

"Comedians love to market themselves as “edgy” and “raw” for telling casually racist jokes, jokes about rape victims, jokes that skewer the oversensitive and “humorless.” But the reality is that none of that shit is “edgy.” You know who loves racism, hates women, and rails against political correctness 24/7? Rush Limbaugh. Ann Coulter. Your drunkest, shittiest grandpa. Comedy that targets marginalized groups isn’t daring, brave, or groundbreaking—it is conservative."
—Lindy West
That is an odd quote. I always thought 'edgy' to mean 'gets people on edge', which rude/racist jokes certainly manage to do...
edgy
ˈɛdʒi/
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adjective: edgy; comparative adjective: edgier; superlative adjective: edgiest

2.
informal
at the forefront of a trend; experimental or avant-garde
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"Edgy" seems to have multiple meanings, making it a little bit ambiguous/confusing in a situation like this. E.g.:

"edgy" like "cutting edge", "leading edge" of some trend or movement.

"edgy" like on the edge between acceptable/good taste and offensive/bad taste.

Also:

"edgy" = irritable, annoyed, anxious, "on edge".

...not to mention the more literal meaning of having sharp clear edges.
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Hehe, funny how you copied out the pronunciation too, but left over the first definition. That made me look it up and whaddayaknow, it actually is what I had in mind.

The 2. meaning imo belongs on the waste pile of useless words, right along with hipster, avantgarde, trendy and others like them. They all convey the same thing : pretentious, novelty for novelty's sake. gulp (And is likely not what people have in mind when asking about edgy conjunction with controversial)


russ wrote:
"Edgy" seems to have multiple meanings, making it a little bit ambiguous/confusing in a situation like this. E.g.:

"edgy" like "cutting edge", "leading edge" of some trend or movement.

"edgy" like on the edge between acceptable/good taste and offensive/bad taste.

Also:

"edgy" = irritable, annoyed, anxious, "on edge".

...not to mention the more literal meaning of having sharp clear edges.
God bless the English language, so many words yet always the need to reuse old ones multiple times.
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PandoraCaitiff wrote:
This quote seems kinda relevant...

"Comedians love to market themselves as “edgy” and “raw” for telling casually racist jokes, jokes about rape victims, jokes that skewer the oversensitive and “humorless.” But the reality is that none of that shit is “edgy.” You know who loves racism, hates women, and rails against political correctness 24/7? Rush Limbaugh. Ann Coulter. Your drunkest, shittiest grandpa. Comedy that targets marginalized groups isn’t daring, brave, or groundbreaking—it is conservative."
—Lindy West
Sums up why I think Frankie Boyle is the most over-rated comedian of the moment.
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russ wrote:
"Edgy" seems to have multiple meanings, making it a little bit ambiguous/confusing in a situation like this. E.g.:

"edgy" like "cutting edge", "leading edge" of some trend or movement.

"edgy" like on the edge between acceptable/good taste and offensive/bad taste.

Also:

"edgy" = irritable, annoyed, anxious, "on edge".

...not to mention the more literal meaning of having sharp clear edges. :)
True, it's why it's a useless term when discussing intent (hence my thread), any one can say they are being "edgy" just by saying Nipple bottoms.
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Borghal wrote:
God bless the English language, so many words yet always the need to reuse old ones multiple times.
Oh, English is not alone in having lots of words with multiple meanings...
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Borghal wrote:
Hehe, funny how you copied out the pronunciation too, but left over the first definition. That made me look it up and whaddayaknow, it actually is what I had in mind.

The 2. meaning imo belongs on the waste pile of useless words, right along with hipster, avantgarde, trendy and others like them. They all convey the same thing : pretentious, novelty for novelty's sake. :gulp: (And is likely not what people have in mind when asking about edgy conjunction with controversial)


russ wrote:
"Edgy" seems to have multiple meanings, making it a little bit ambiguous/confusing in a situation like this. E.g.:

"edgy" like "cutting edge", "leading edge" of some trend or movement.

"edgy" like on the edge between acceptable/good taste and offensive/bad taste.

Also:

"edgy" = irritable, annoyed, anxious, "on edge".

...not to mention the more literal meaning of having sharp clear edges. :)
God bless the English language, so many words yet always the need to reuse old ones multiple times. :D
That is becasue that is how it is usually used in the context of art, and that is what game design is.

You know, this is what this thread is about, people who use "edgy" or "cool" or whatever to try and give legitimacy to a rather childish attempt to court controversy.
 
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And this is why I think Cards Against Humanity is a 5h1t game.

(Did I do edgy right with that use of the S word?)
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Tuism wrote:
And this is why I think Cards Against Humanity is a 5h1t game.

(Did I do edgy right with that use of the S word?)
I'd rather play that than Apples to fecking Apples.
 
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Tuism wrote:
And this is why I think Cards Against Humanity is a 5h1t game.

(Did I do edgy right with that use of the S word?)
I'd rather play that than Apples to fecking Apples.
They are exactly the same game, just one (tries to) make the jokes for you, and the other leaves the jokes up to you.
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In a train game (such as ticket to ride) add a card for Berlin to Auschwitz (pretty hipster ehh?).
Honestly I thought Train was a pretty interesting idea.

But that's an entire game crafted around that idea, not just something thrown in to be edgy. Did you dislike it?
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slatersteven wrote:
Here are a few examples I was not going to put in the other thread because I do not want a block.

You get victory points if you rape children (pretty edgy ehhh?).
In a train game (such as ticket to ride) add a card for Berlin to Auschwitz (pretty hipster ehh?).
In (say) a game on the gulf war given the US an extra unit called "USMC child murdering squad" (PRETTY FUNNY eH?)
In Munchkin add a card called "aborted fetus organ" that gives you an extra limb (pretty cool eh?)
A card depicting slavery in an historical context! (savage!)
 
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garygarison wrote:
slatersteven wrote:
Here are a few examples I was not going to put in the other thread because I do not want a block.

You get victory points if you rape children (pretty edgy ehhh?).
In a train game (such as ticket to ride) add a card for Berlin to Auschwitz (pretty hipster ehh?).
In (say) a game on the gulf war given the US an extra unit called "USMC child murdering squad" (PRETTY FUNNY eH?)
In Munchkin add a card called "aborted fetus organ" that gives you an extra limb (pretty cool eh?)
A card depicting slavery in an historical context! (savage!)
Have you played Five Tribes?

I'm guess you haven't if you think "historical context" is relevant? It's basically abstract.

I really like it, and I think they did a good job w/ the theme... but I also like the theme in Dominion. Many others would say it's simply pasted on. And sure, slaves feature in Arabian Nights tales... but not everyone is comfortable collecting them as a resource and spending them to summon genies. And that's ok.

Having fakirs summon genies rather than slaves honestly fits the theme a little better in my book anyway. YMMV, of course.
 
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Have you played Five Tribes?
Yes, my point is more that the inclusion of slavery was not by any measure gratuitous. And yet it still caused unintended debate.
 
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slatersteven wrote:
A recent thread elsewhere got me thinking, just how easy it is to make rules that are just designed to cause "debate". How hard is it to just try and think of a rule that will give offense for the sake of "being edgy" (and also if you know your rule is "being edgy" what does that say about your inclusion if it).

Here are a few examples I was not going to put in the other thread because I do not want a block.

You get victory points if you rape children (pretty edgy ehhh?).
In a train game (such as ticket to ride) add a card for Berlin to Auschwitz (pretty hipster ehh?).
In (say) a game on the gulf war given the US an extra unit called "USMC child murdering squad" (PRETTY FUNNY eH?)
In Munchkin add a card called "aborted fetus organ" that gives you an extra limb (pretty cool eh?)

Is it really that hard to be offensive for the sake of it? It's not big, it's not clever and it's not funny (or hipster) it's childish and pathetic.

Does this ever actually happen in game design?
 
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rylfrazier wrote:
slatersteven wrote:

Is it really that hard to be offensive for the sake of it? It's not big, it's not clever and it's not funny (or hipster) it's childish and pathetic.

Does this ever actually happen in game design?
I think it pretty clearly does. E.g. Pimp: The Backhanding and Crack Whore and Darkies in the Melon Patch seem pretty clearly created with a marketing idea that "if we are offensive, we will get controversy and attention, which hopefully means more sales"...
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Have you played Five Tribes?
Yes, my point is more that the inclusion of slavery was not by any measure gratuitous. And yet it still caused unintended debate.
It isn't gratuitous, but it's also so obviously pointless too (the card could have been almost anything else) that it's odd that they didn't think of putting something else on it.
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garygarison wrote:

Yes, my point is more that the inclusion of slavery was not by any measure gratuitous. And yet it still caused unintended debate.
It isn't gratuitous, but it's also so obviously pointless too (the card could have been almost anything else) that it's odd that they didn't think of putting something else on it.
Personally, I think it odd that some think it odd they didn't think of putting something else on it. Referencing slavery in a game is not the same as making slavery into a game. We see the same flawed analysis in comedy criticism all the time as well. A joke that involves X does not mean it's a joke about X.
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