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Have tournament coming up soon at 150 points but having very hard time deciding which one is better and do I have anything I need to change I missed, thoughts??
Kavil-EI, blaster turret, marksmanship, r4 agromech
Palob-moldy crow, recon, blaster turret, predator, sheild
Laetin-heavy scyk, stealth device, mangler
Ndru-hull, lone wolf, cluster missle
2X pinayre pirate

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Soontir-PTL, stealth, title, thrusters
Storm-title, acc correct, stealth, cluster
Howlrunner-swarm, stealth
Epsilon Leader-Stealth
2XBlack Squadron-PTL, stealth

Empire build was last night when late and I have flown scum once tp play test and did ok
 
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I like the Scum squad better. You've got the makings of a pretty mean squad. If I were to tweak it though, I would do this

N'Dru Suhlak (17)
Lone Wolf (2)
Cluster Missiles (4)
Inertial Dampeners (1)

Kavil (24)
Opportunist (4)
Blaster Turret (4)
R4 Agromech (2)

Palob Godalhi (20)
Bodyguard (2)
Twin Laser Turret (6)
Recon Specialist (3)
Moldy Crow (3)

Serissu (20)
Squad Leader (2)
Ion Cannon (3)
Stealth Device (3)
"Heavy Scyk" Interceptor (Cannon) (2)

Binayre Pirate (12)
Feedback Array (2)

Binayre Pirate (12)
Feedback Array (2)

Total: 150

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jbuzzsaw79 wrote:
Have tournament coming up soon at 150 points but having very hard time deciding which one is better and do I have anything I need to change I missed, thoughts??
Kavil-EI, blaster turret, marksmanship, r4 agromech
Palob-moldy crow, recon, blaster turret, predator, sheild
Laetin-heavy scyk, stealth device, mangler
Ndru-hull, lone wolf, cluster missle
2X pinayre pirate

or

Soontir-PTL, stealth, title, thrusters
Storm-title, acc correct, stealth, cluster
Howlrunner-swarm, stealth
Epsilon Leader-Stealth
2XBlack Squadron-PTL, stealth

Empire build was last night when late and I have flown scum once tp play test and did ok


Scum for life!... But I would change a couple of thing:

N'Dru with lonewolf and Cluster Missiles beg for Glitterstim! It means a focus to modify each attack and a focus to help soak all the attack before launching them (if you're up against higher PS ships).Not sure about Lonewolf in a 150pts game, might be hard to trigger.

Kavil need a focus to shoot his Blaster turret, so stressing him and forcing him to do a 1 or 2 straight might not be the best option. It will make him predictable and easy to block (and deny his action). Predator is okay, but what I like to do is deadeye with a Proton Torpedoe: Shoot the Torpedoe using the Focus, get a Lock with R4, shoot a 4 dice attack+TL and changing one focus to crit.

Palob seems okay, but Opportunist is a very good option on him. Steal the token from an opponent at range 2 and then shoot with one more dice versus the token less ship. Brutal.

So, my recommendation:

-N'Dru Suhlak with Lonewolf, Cluster Missiles, Glitterstim
-Kavil with Deadeye, Proton Torpedoes, Extra Munition, Blaster Turret, R4 Aggromech
-Laetin A'shera with Stealth Device, Heavy Scyk title, Heavy Laser Cannon
-Palob Godalhi with Opportunist, Blaster Turret, Recon Specialist, Moldy Crow
-Binayre Pirate
-Binayre Pirate
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I know it's not answering your question directly but I'm up to 150 points in my local league and have been playing rebels and haven't lost a game with this

Poe Dameron, R2F2, Weapons Guidance, Predator, Shield Upgrade

Corran Horn, R2D2, Fire Control System, PTL, Shield Upgrade

Kyle Katarn, VI,TLT, Dash Rendar, Engine Upgrade, Moldy Crow

Airen Cracken, Stealth Device

Move them all 1 forward at first to start storing focus tokens on the HWK then keep it out of danger but fly the rest together.

I'm sure someone will tear this apart but it's worked for me
 
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I felt most unsure about scum list actually so I made the Empire one. I liked the fact that the swarm could reroll and ptl and remove stress in the combat step and what is leader was by fel?? CRAZYNESS!!!

Is the Empire build really that bad compared to Scum? Was I worried about nothing??
 
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It seems to me your Empire build lacks some more punch.
 
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I think you should borrow some models and go with:

Syndicated Thug + TLT + Bomb Load + Seismic X2
Binayre Pirate X8

Should have sufficient dakka.
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Rafael Ramus-I dont agree with your statement on the Empire and I dare ask have you played/or against a tie swarm? Even mini tie swarm are pretty effect but as for this one I have PTL on 2 which means they can focus and evade or even evade and barrel roll. Eplison leader removes all stress in range one of him so each round all dials are free to do w/e they want or they can even k turn and have free clear dials after that. Howlrunner is very good in any swarm also and with the new adv tie title they tempest has ability to get 2-3 this each missile guaranteed and can always get 2 hits also after missile used. FEl is hit own set of fangs so not even going to talk about him but for ROAR!!!
Grant Whitesell-After I read what you put my thoughts was why not just run 5 cartel marauders and 2 thug with TLT and unhinged then instead? I actually think this might be fun actually.

 
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Why not run eight Binarye instead?

Three more guns on target, and all of them firing at same PS.

Sure it's vulnerable to Predator. There's still a LOT of them. Focus fire from swarms is still one of the most valid techniques to take down your target.
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jbuzzsaw79 wrote:
Rafael Ramus-I dont agree with your statement on the Empire and I dare ask have you played/or against a tie swarm? Even mini tie swarm are pretty effect but as for this one I have PTL on 2 which means they can focus and evade or even evade and barrel roll. Eplison leader removes all stress in range one of him so each round all dials are free to do w/e they want or they can even k turn and have free clear dials after that. Howlrunner is very good in any swarm also and with the new adv tie title they tempest has ability to get 2-3 this each missile guaranteed and can always get 2 hits also after missile used. FEl is hit own set of fangs so not even going to talk about him but for ROAR!!!


No need to be rude, of course I've played against swarms. I'll just point out that for 150 points this is hardly a mini-swarm (I'd expect always 5-7 ships unless one of them is a large or huge ship). It's not that this is a bad design you're offering, it just lacks punch when compared to other Rebels and Scum squads like those shown in this thread (imho). You're building a quite defensive squad by adding Stealth Devices for just about everyone. Be mindful that the more points you add, the less useful some upgrades become. I'd be really surprised if any Stealth Device is able to survive one round against a TLT mini-swarm+whatever (except Fel's), or even a Storm+AC+CM mini-swarm. I'd strip those ships that are not unique of their Stealth Device. I like your Storm Sq. pilot (Accuracy+Cluster Missiles has always been a winning combo). You'll also note Howlrunner and now Epsilon Leader will be the primary targets of your opponent (most likely in this exact order). In epic play, targets tend to go down earlier, so I'd expect you'd be using their abillities something like, 1, 2 times (3 times if you're really lucky or your opponent is really bad).

Btw, I'm an Imperial player, so I like seeing imperial players go well. I also play more Epic than the other modes, that's why I'm telling you this.

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Grant Whitesell-After I read what you put my thoughts was why not just run 5 cartel marauders and 2 thug with TLT and unhinged then instead? I actually think this might be fun actually.



This might be fun.
 
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Rafael Ramus- Not trying to be rude I find that many people say things are bad and or wrong with no reason why or no explanation either. I like to know why so I can better understand things and see mistakes for what I was thinking and I find some people also say swarms are bad but have little or no experience flying them.
One last time for this question if I can get any more answers, did have thought to play vader and fel powered up with a few more aces or kenkirk and emperor and isgard thoughts or that being better of worse then anything so far?
 
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jbuzzsaw79 wrote:
Rafael Ramus- Not trying to be rude I find that many people say things are bad and or wrong with no reason why or no explanation either. I like to know why so I can better understand things and see mistakes for what I was thinking and I find some people also say swarms are bad but have little or no experience flying them.
One last time for this question if I can get any more answers, did have thought to play vader and fel powered up with a few more aces or kenkirk and emperor and isgard thoughts or that being better of worse then anything so far?


I see your point . If there is a ship I'd not recommend for Epic in this meta of TLTs and Accuracy Correctors is the Decimator (I have a friend that always performs better than I'd expect though, and he flies with Kenkirk and Isard. Personally, for Epic, I'd go with Oiccun if determined to have a Decimator). Vader and Fel are good enough to justify their points, a Lambda+Emperor might be ok because it's at least a cheap combo.

For your original list, you liking Swarms and all, I think droping some Stealth to add at least an Academy Pilot would make a lot of sense.
 
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oiccun huh interesting anti pursuit lasers and hull upgrade maybe?

btw just to make sure it is know this is not epic it is a 150 pt event and I was board at work lol so I thought about so crazyness with another list.

2 omicron with heavy laser, adv sensor and tactical jammer
eplison leader
captain jonus
zertik storm

basic idea u can have both shuttles sit and wait till oppent gets closer then shoot the hell out of them. shuttles can take focus each round and then speed 0 manever, eplison leader will remove it each round and the jonus will reroll heavy lasers while zertik makes there range 1 stop useless against me.
 
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Not exactly sure how Lone Wolf is going to work on N'dru with six ships on the board. I find it very hard to use with only 3 ships.
 
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I played him once in 2 vs. 2 200 game out on the flank while rest of force went slow, oppent basicly ignored him then i cut back and let loose
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jbuzzsaw79 wrote:
oiccun huh interesting anti pursuit lasers and hull upgrade maybe?


That's the spirit. Just making the opponent maneuver in stranger ways than it normally would can be a huge plus in this format (and great fun in Epic).

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btw just to make sure it is known this is not epic it is a 150 pt event


Sure, I didn't mean to sound like it was a full 300 pts, 5 epic pts match. It's just that this is my favorite method of playing and I find that 150 pts is closer to epic than to regular 100 pts (when you think about it, it's usually the number of points you designate to your regular squadrons without the epic ships). I mean, I tend to look for the same things in 150 pts games and epic: squadrons whose strenghts are going to be in effect for more than a few rounds, points distributed in a manner that will make it harder to bring down a ship with loads of points in one or two turns, etc.

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I was board at work lol so I thought about so crazyness with another list.

2 omicron with heavy laser, adv sensor and tactical jammer
eplison leader
captain jonus
zertik storm

basic idea u can have both shuttles sit and wait till oppent gets closer then shoot the hell out of them. shuttles can take focus each round and then speed 0 manever, eplison leader will remove it each round and the jonus will reroll heavy lasers while zertik makes there range 1 stop useless against me.


Funny thing... I like this list, probably more than I should ! Basically because it's harder to figure who the primary target should be. Every ship in this list is going to be a pain in the neck to deal with. It's not going to be an easy list to fly though (as you'll have to keep a closer formation overall), but I do see some potential.
 
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spent some time last night playing for a bit and tried this, not sure but a little easier to fly then the above shuttle thing.
kenkirk-palpatine, hull, pred, isard
fel-ptl, title, thrusters, stealth
whisper-recon,adv cloak, VI
acadmey

extra hull on decimator so i have full 12 hull they have to deal with, swarms eat decimator but 2 aces love swarms.
 
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