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Middle eastern man 1: hey, what's going on middle eastern man 2?
MEM2: not much, I'm trying to get some water so I can be a good productive human and grow food.
MEM1: how's that going?
MEM2: pretty bad. This global warming caused by all these countries that produce things has really just destroyed the 10,000 lakes we had in the desert.
MEM1: hmmm, what do you think we should do about this?
MEM2: I think I am going to go kill hundreds of people and become a terrorist simply because I have nothing better to do
MEM1: brilliant!
 
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bern as in the capital of switzerland
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bern as in the capital of switzerland
I was wondering about that.

What Bern are you referring to Dash?
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Are there supposed to be pictures or something?
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Socialist Bernie Sanders blamed Islamic terrorism on global warming in last nights debate in Des Moines. Well, I should say "terrorism", all the democRats on stage refused to say Islamic.
 
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jeremycobert wrote:
Socialist Bernie Sanders blamed Islamic terrorism on global warming in last nights debate in Des Moines. Well, I should say "terrorism", all the democRats on stage refused to say Islamic.
He said terrorism, Muslims are not the only terrorists.
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jeremycobert wrote:
Socialist Bernie Sanders blamed Islamic terrorism on global warming in last nights debate in Des Moines. Well, I should say "terrorism", all the democRats on stage refused to say Islamic.


In case anyone in the reality based community wants to know what he actually said:

Absolutely. In fact, climate change is directly related to the growth of terrorism. And if we do not get our act together and listen to what the scientists say you're gonna see countries all over the world-- this is what the C.I.A. says, they're gonna be struggling over limited amounts of water, limited amounts of land to grow their crops. And you're gonna see all kinds of international conflict.

But of course international terrorism is a major issue that we've got to address today. And I agree with much of what-- the secretary and-- and the governor have said. Only have one area of-- of disagreement with the secretary. I think she said something like, "The bulk of the responsibility is not ours."

Well, in fact, I would argue that the disastrous invasion of Iraq, something that I strongly opposed, has unraveled the region completely. And led to the rise of Al Qaeda-- and to-- ISIS. Now, in fact, what we have got to do-- and I think there is widespread agreement here-- 'cause the United States cannot do it alone. What we need to do is lead an international coalition which includes-- very significantly-- (UNINTEL) nations in that region are gonna have to fight and defend their way of life.


Of course, that's just the transcript from those lying stooges at CBS. Can't trust the mainstream media. I wonder what's in the Fox News "transcript".
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Did he mean "Climate change, according to the CIA, will eventually lead to forms of terrorism"?
 
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DaviddesJ wrote:
jeremycobert wrote:
Socialist Bernie Sanders blamed Islamic terrorism on global warming in last nights debate in Des Moines. Well, I should say "terrorism", all the democRats on stage refused to say Islamic.


In case anyone in the reality based community wants to know what he actually said:

Absolutely. In fact, climate change is directly related to the growth of terrorism. And if we do not get our act together and listen to what the scientists say you're gonna see countries all over the world-- this is what the C.I.A. says, they're gonna be struggling over limited amounts of water, limited amounts of land to grow their crops. And you're gonna see all kinds of international conflict.

But of course international terrorism is a major issue that we've got to address today. And I agree with much of what-- the secretary and-- and the governor have said. Only have one area of-- of disagreement with the secretary. I think she said something like, "The bulk of the responsibility is not ours."

Well, in fact, I would argue that the disastrous invasion of Iraq, something that I strongly opposed, has unraveled the region completely. And led to the rise of Al Qaeda-- and to-- ISIS. Now, in fact, what we have got to do-- and I think there is widespread agreement here-- 'cause the United States cannot do it alone. What we need to do is lead an international coalition which includes-- very significantly-- (UNINTEL) nations in that region are gonna have to fight and defend their way of life.


Of course, that's just the transcript from those lying stooges at CBS. Can't trust the mainstream media. I wonder what's in the Fox News "transcript".


Did you mean to leave out the part where he said climate change is directly related to the rise in terrorism?
 
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TheDashi wrote:
Did you mean to leave out the part where he said climate change is directly related to the rise in terrorism?


I didn't leave anything out. I quoted everything he said on the subject in the debate. Read the transcript for yourself (the real transcript, not the Fox News version).

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/democratic-debate-transcript-cli...
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DaviddesJ wrote:
TheDashi wrote:
Did you mean to leave out the part where he said climate change is directly related to the rise in terrorism?


I didn't leave anything out. I quoted everything he said on the subject in the debate. Read the transcript for yourself (the real transcript, not the Fox News version).

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/democratic-debate-transcript-cli...


Sighs. I know you left it in. And based on that, our comments stand. Bernie is insane. Climate change creates terrorists. Or a rise in terrorism. He did say that right?
 
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Sighs. I know you left it in. And based on that, our comments stand. Bernie is insane. Climate change creates terrorists. Or a rise in terrorism. He did say that right?


He said that if climate change continues unchecked it will create more world instability and conflict and this is likely to lead to more terrorism in the future.

This is also the position of the US military and the CIA.
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TheDashi wrote:
DaviddesJ wrote:
TheDashi wrote:
Did you mean to leave out the part where he said climate change is directly related to the rise in terrorism?


I didn't leave anything out. I quoted everything he said on the subject in the debate. Read the transcript for yourself (the real transcript, not the Fox News version).

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/democratic-debate-transcript-cli...


Sighs. I know you left it in. And based on that, our comments stand. Bernie is insane. Climate change creates terrorists. Or a rise in terrorism. He did say that right?
Did he say this was causing Islamic terrorism (your claim)?
 
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DaviddesJ wrote:
This is also the position of the US military and the CIA.

Not that I necessarily agree with their assessment, but that's the same CIA that didn't exactly go out of its way to counter the conclusions the US government drew from their National Intelligence Estimate document, used to justify that Iraq invasion Bernie Sanders mentioned. And the same CIA that insisted waterboarding helped capture terrorists.
 
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DaviddesJ wrote:
This is also the position of the US military and the CIA.

bunch of libtards
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sebastian_janssen wrote:
DaviddesJ wrote:
This is also the position of the US military and the CIA.

Not that I necessarily agree with their assessment, but that's the same CIA that didn't exactly go out of its way to counter the conclusions the US government drew from their National Intelligence Estimate document, used to justify that Iraq invasion Bernie Sanders mentioned. And the same CIA that insisted waterboarding helped capture terrorists.


I'm not going to take a position on whether the US military or CIA position should be given much or little or no weight. I am only saying that those who want to condemn Bernie Sanders for this view have a bunch of others that they will catch in that net. There are some positions that Sanders holds that are at odds with the general view of most relevant authorities. This is not one of them.
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My main issue with Sanders' statement is that he insinuates that global warming contributes to current terrorism (including Paris), whereas the report (which would require careful parsing to avoid another Iraq invasion kind of misinterpretation) suggests it will only contribute at a future time.

Quadrennial Defense Review 2014

Relevant climate change mention:

"Climate change poses another significant challenge for the United States and the world at large. As greenhouse gas emissions increase, sea levels are rising, average global temperatures are increasing, and severe weather patterns are accelerating. These changes, coupled with other global dynamics, including growing, urbanizing, more affluent populations, and substantial economic growth in India, China, Brazil, and other nations, will devastate homes, land, and infrastructure. Climate change may exacerbate water scarcity and lead to sharp increases in food costs. The pressures caused by climate change will influence resource competition while placing additional burdens on economies, societies, and governance institutions around the world. These effects are threat multipliers that will aggravate stressors abroad such as poverty, environmental degradation, political instability, and social tensions – conditions that can enable terrorist activity and other forms of violence."

Full disclosure:
If I could vote, my vote would be for Sanders, even though his economic policies mostly conflict with my personal beliefs. There is nothing more important for a country to do than not kill innocent lives abroad. Everything else, including important domestic rights and values, comes second.
 
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sebastian_janssen wrote:
My main issue with Sanders' statement is that he insinuates that global warming contributes to current terrorism (including Paris), whereas the report (which would require careful parsing to avoid another Iraq invasion kind of misinterpretation) suggests it will only contribute at a future time.


The question was about the greatest threat to the US. A threat, by definition, is something that might happen in the future, not something that has already happened in the past. I think he was clearly talking about the future. I agree his word choice could have been slightly better, but I don't think he can be misunderstood here except by those seeking to misunderstand.

I don't think he's claiming that the Paris attacks were somehow due to climate change. That would be sort of nutty, sure.
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I agree he's not liberal enough.
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I agree he's not liberal enough.

hes quite the libertine tho at least when it comes to binge eating/drinking on vermont cheese and wine
 
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DaviddesJ wrote:
jeremycobert wrote:
Socialist Bernie Sanders blamed Islamic terrorism on global warming in last nights debate in Des Moines. Well, I should say "terrorism", all the democRats on stage refused to say Islamic.


In case anyone in the reality based community wants to know what he actually said:

Absolutely. In fact, climate change is directly related to the growth of terrorism. And if we do not get our act together and listen to what the scientists say you're gonna see countries all over the world-- this is what the C.I.A. says, they're gonna be struggling over limited amounts of water, limited amounts of land to grow their crops. And you're gonna see all kinds of international conflict.

But of course international terrorism is a major issue that we've got to address today. And I agree with much of what-- the secretary and-- and the governor have said. Only have one area of-- of disagreement with the secretary. I think she said something like, "The bulk of the responsibility is not ours."

Well, in fact, I would argue that the disastrous invasion of Iraq, something that I strongly opposed, has unraveled the region completely. And led to the rise of Al Qaeda-- and to-- ISIS. Now, in fact, what we have got to do-- and I think there is widespread agreement here-- 'cause the United States cannot do it alone. What we need to do is lead an international coalition which includes-- very significantly-- (UNINTEL) nations in that region are gonna have to fight and defend their way of life.


Of course, that's just the transcript from those lying stooges at CBS. Can't trust the mainstream media. I wonder what's in the Fox News "transcript".


I just wanted to make a minor point about one of Sanders' comments. The invasion of Iraq, however wrongheaded it was, obviously did NOT lead to the rise of Al Qaeda. Al Qaeda existed at least ten years prior to the invasion of Iraq, being responsible for terror attacks such as the Khobar Towers and USS Cole attacks as well as 9/11 all of which predated the invasion. If anything, the invasion of Iraq was the beginning of the end for Al Qaeda. As for the rise of ISIS, yeah, I have to agree with that point.

OK, you can all go back to your partisan sniping now!
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I just wanted to make a minor point about one of Sanders' comments. The invasion of Iraq, however wrongheaded it was, obviously did NOT lead to the rise of Al Qaeda.


I think he's referring to Tanzim Qaidat al-Jihad fi Bilad al-Rafidayn, also known as "Al Qaeda in Iraq" or "Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia", which was a major force in the Iraq insurgency, and became part of the "Islamic State in Iraq", which eventually became part of today's ISIS.

I think, for a 30 second answer in a TV debate, it's accurate enough.
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DaviddesJ wrote:
desertfox2004 wrote:
I just wanted to make a minor point about one of Sanders' comments. The invasion of Iraq, however wrongheaded it was, obviously did NOT lead to the rise of Al Qaeda.


I think he's referring to Tanzim Qaidat al-Jihad fi Bilad al-Rafidayn, also known as "Al Qaeda in Iraq" or "Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia", which was a major force in the Iraq insurgency, and became part of the "Islamic State in Iraq", which eventually became part of today's ISIS.

I think, for a 30 second answer in a TV debate, it's accurate enough.


I'll buy that. While I would submit that he would have been better off to simply name ISIS in his reply, his answer was not a hugely egregious example of political hyperbole.
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jeremycobert wrote:
Socialist Bernie Sanders blamed Islamic terrorism on global warming in last nights debate in Des Moines. Well, I should say "terrorism", all the democRats on stage refused to say Islamic.


Yeah....in following up various reports about the coronation debate I find very few that say "Islamic" or "Muslim".

Very much in denial these guys (and gals) are.


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Very much in denial these guys (and gals) are.


The people writing the "various reports"? Yes, I can only imagine they are.
 
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