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Subject: An exercise on wasting space - or El Grande Big Box, both work... rss

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First the laugh, a large box saying '6 games' that was probably all the poor store had to ship this in. No wonder it didn't fit in my parcel locker. Also beware, crappy phone pics, blown highlights, probably a bit of glare too...




They certainly weren't kidding when they said big box. I wish they had been, as this is one of the biggest wastes of space I have ever seen.

Every single card slot is about twice as big as it needs to be, there is 3" on the x and 2" on the y that are outside the board and completely superfluous. What a joke?

17 x 12.5 x 4"





Now, who thought this was a good idea? Are these guys starting a joint venture with Ikea and get a share of the cut on shelf sales? We live in an age of excess, granted, but there are movements to reduce things like extraneous packaging, when will games catch up with that?
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The extra card-slot space is almost certainly to allow for sleeving of the cards, which many people will appreciate.

Beyond that I don't see any wasted space, and the board holder is a nice feature.
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Joel_L wrote:
The extra card-slot space is almost certainly to allow for sleeving of the cards, which many people will appreciate.

Beyond that I don't see any wasted space, and the board holder is a nice feature.


Even sleeving the cards you could tighten the spacing on everything up and get rid of the deep, near empty pit lower row center at minimum.
 
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Yes, a waste of space.

It's a great game, I don't have a copy but I won't buy this.

If they made a 'small box' edition with no expansions in a sensible sized box that was big enough to hold the components and not a huge volume of dead air I would defiantly buy that.
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I'm all for that inset (I'll parrot joel a little bit)
+1 to the taking into account sleeves, I'm not a sleever yet but games are an investment and shouldn't hinder a person trying to make them last as long as they can.
This insert makes the box organized. helps with clean up, set up, storage, and protects the components much more.
The look is just soooo much more attractive than tossing everything in a box and maybe some cardboard to make not shake around as much.
4" depth on a thermoformed part is actually rather big and that "wasted space" helps make the insert as nice as it is, not to mention it looks like the pockets are labeled with symbols
and holds the board so I don't have to worry about my idiot cousin who puts the board in first when packing up so I have to struggle to get it out again? awesome

I don't see any wasted space
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Garry wrote:
Yes, a waste of space.

It's a great game, I don't have a copy but I won't buy this.

If they made a 'small box' edition with no expansions in a sensible sized box that was big enough to hold the components and not a huge volume of dead air I would defiantly buy that.


I also forgot to mention the insert has a good 6+mm around it free space, it moves a bit. hah. But yeah, I would have settled for a small box base game, but that wasn't what was printed recently. Shipping generally makes buying used a moot point.
 
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darthain wrote:

I also forgot to mention the insert has a good 6+mm around it free space, it moves a bit. hah.

I assume your talking at the top?
Walls on a thermoformed part need to have an angle on them else the plastic will not form right. Problems like walls being too thin or the part not even coming off the tooling that formed it.
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    Two things --

1. They may have had only a few standard box sizes to choose from, and the next size down may have been too small. This box goes inside another box which goes inside a crate which goes inside a container. There may have been limited options.

2. Bigger things sell better. Cereal boxes are two inches deep and eighteen inches tall so that they present more frontage in the store, gather more attention. Making the box bigger may help with sales, especially now that prices are higher.

    Both of these have nothing to do with the customer's need to store the game, but games only get made when publishers, wholesalers, retailers, shippers AND customers are all happy. Compromise is bound to occur.

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If I had the choice of a tiny box with everything thrown in tiny plastic bags, or one with an organized insert above, I'm taking the insert. Every single time.

For me, space isn't much of an issue. But that may be because I keep my collection very trim. I never have more than ~15 games because I only keep what I play regularly.

I'd much rather have a good insert that keeps everything separated and organized for quick setup/breakdown. I absolutely loathe games where I need to open 40 plastic bags to set something up.

All that in mind, I see no wasted space. It's a neat and attractive insert. Given the standard box sizes available, the next size down may not have been sensible.
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    Oh hang on -- look at that insert. It has a harlequin hat stamped into it, what looks like a ghost, and crowns and swords. I don't think that's even an El Grande insert, at least by design. These guys may be re-purposing old stock to save money. That might be why everything is so big and clunky.

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If only they had named it in a such a way as to let you know what the intended size of the box was.whistle
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Sagrilarus wrote:

 I don't think that's even an El Grande insert, at least by design.

I thought you were just joking and i didnt get the joke...they are labels...i said that earlier and im all but certain im right
 
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If you'd like more games with efficient packaging, I encourage you to seek out Pax Pamir, which has barely enough space for the air between the baggies. They put the rules references on the box itself to save space.
 
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If you think that's a waste of box space, you haven't played Splendor or Limes
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    Yeah, they're indicating the insert is for El Grande. Looks pretty hokey to me.

    I only play the original rules, so the Harlequin hat looked absurd.

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You have never seen the Pathfinder Card Game box
 
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russ wrote:
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Tiny Epic Galaxies is an amazing example of compactness.

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This thread is an exercise in wasting space.
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willyum wrote:
Tiny Epic Galaxies is an amazing example of compactness.

I thought so too, until my copy of Burgle Bros. arrived.

Anyway... is this the thread to mention the expansion boxes for Machi Koro and Talisman 2nd Ed?
 
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bradelli wrote:
You have never seen the Pathfinder Card Game box


At least has expansion. Splendor is just a flat out crime.
 
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matthean wrote:
bradelli wrote:
You have never seen the Pathfinder Card Game box


At least has expansion. Splendor is just a flat out crime.


I literally came here to say just this.
 
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Looks to be the same size as Pandemic Legacy, Robinson Crusoe, and other "big-box" Z-Man games
 
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Actually, I think it looks like a well-designed insert -- I really appreciate it when a company takes the time to make a good one.
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Mashpotassium wrote:
If you think that's a waste of box space, you haven't played Splendor or Limes ;)

I like the Splendor box insert. Very functional.
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