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Chris Buhl
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Hi,

I'm hoping to find the text of the actual written orders that were given to Germany's three army groups for Barbarossa. I've done a bit of Googling and come up empty. I think asking in this forum is likely to be 1000 times faster and more effective, so I'm giving this a shot. Can anyone point me in the right direction?

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Fuhrer Directive No. 21 contains very high level tasking.
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BeatPosse wrote:
Fuhrer Directive No. 21 contains very high level tasking.


The USS Enterprise computer's ability to find and spit out information about the history of warfare has nothing on the BGG Wargame forum. Nothing.

EDIT - That reference is pure Gold! If there are any other slightly lower level orders out there I'd love to find them as well (i.e. the specific operational orders for each army group, or whatever those orders would be called).
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Here's a link to the "Weisung Nr. 21":
http://www.histdoc.net/history/de/NaSo1940-12-18.html

And here's a link to the orders and reports of army group center:
http://wwii.germandocsinrussia.org/de/nodes/120-akte-118-bef...
Btw: Especially this site is a "Gold Mine" full with original Documents, Maps etc.
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The real question is can you read German? If so there are a number of documents hosted online here: http://www.sturmpanzer.com/Default.aspx?tabindex=5&tabid=620....

These all come from the microfilm collection of German documents at the National Archives and Records Administration in College Park, MD. It's a public archive, so if you ever find yourself in the DC area, you could go down and take a look at the microfilm yourself. Here's their guide to the microfilm: http://www.archives.gov/research/captured-german-records/ind...

What documents they don't have in microfilm are likely held at the Bundesarchiv in Freiburg am Main. A little bit more difficult to access as I believe you require researcher credentials.
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eviltediz43 wrote:
The real question is can you read German? If so there are a number of documents hosted online here: http://www.sturmpanzer.com/Default.aspx?tabindex=5&tabid=620....

These all come from the microfilm collection of German documents at the National Archives and Records Administration in College Park, MD. It's a public archive, so if you ever find yourself in the DC area, you could go down and take a look at the microfilm yourself. What documents they don't have in microfilm are likely held at the Bundesarchiv in Freiburg am Main.


That's a great reference, but sadly I read only English...
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fatgreta wrote:
eviltediz43 wrote:
The real question is can you read German? If so there are a number of documents hosted online here: http://www.sturmpanzer.com/Default.aspx?tabindex=5&tabid=620....

These all come from the microfilm collection of German documents at the National Archives and Records Administration in College Park, MD. It's a public archive, so if you ever find yourself in the DC area, you could go down and take a look at the microfilm yourself. What documents they don't have in microfilm are likely held at the Bundesarchiv in Freiburg am Main.


That's a great reference, but sadly I read only English...


Then I believe the Fuehrerweisungen (Fuehrer Directives) will be your last stop. During my research I have never seen any documents below this level translated into English. Fortunately, these directives are widely available in English online. Get googling! Of course as a Grognardy historian, I would recommend purchasing a published collection: http://www.amazon.com/Fuehrer-Directives-Top-Level-German-19...
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fatgreta wrote:
eviltediz43 wrote:
The real question is can you read German? If so there are a number of documents hosted online here: http://www.sturmpanzer.com/Default.aspx?tabindex=5&tabid=620....

These all come from the microfilm collection of German documents at the National Archives and Records Administration in College Park, MD. It's a public archive, so if you ever find yourself in the DC area, you could go down and take a look at the microfilm yourself. What documents they don't have in microfilm are likely held at the Bundesarchiv in Freiburg am Main.


That's a great reference, but sadly I read only English...


Google translate can help a lot - and if there's a particular interesting piece you want to get the exact wording of, there are a number of native German speakers in here. I do as well, but at the non-native level.
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There's a pretty good (if I remember correctly) description of the history and orders in Eastern Front Solitaire. Let me see if I can find it for you. I'll try and look at it tomorrow.

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What documents they don't have in microfilm are likely held at the Bundesarchiv in Freiburg am Main. A little bit more difficult to access as I believe you require researcher credentials.


I'm a frequent user of the BA-MA archives in Freiburg. You have to register and give a theme for your research. You can do that during your first visit, or online. There's no requirement for "researcher credentials."
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Freiburg am Main


Just a small correction. It's Freiburg im Breisgau. If you say "Freiburg am Main" the Badener, and probably the Hessen will be less than happy.
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Freiburg am Main


Just a small correction. It's Freiburg im Breisgau. If you say "Freiburg am Main" the Badener, and probably the Hessen will be less than happy.


I always yell at my GPS whenever I need to type in the name of German "..burg" or French "villeneuve" towns - how the hell should I know in what kreis or department that bloody town is in ?
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fatgreta wrote:
eviltediz43 wrote:
The real question is can you read German? If so there are a number of documents hosted online here: http://www.sturmpanzer.com/Default.aspx?tabindex=5&tabid=620....

These all come from the microfilm collection of German documents at the National Archives and Records Administration in College Park, MD. It's a public archive, so if you ever find yourself in the DC area, you could go down and take a look at the microfilm yourself. What documents they don't have in microfilm are likely held at the Bundesarchiv in Freiburg am Main.


That's a great reference, but sadly I read only English...


I can read any language that uses the latin alphabet......I have no clue what it means, but I can read it....
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