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Mac Mcleod
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110k minimum pay and h1b ban for 720 days after layoffs, furloughs, and strikes.

About half of H1b visas are well under this limit (roughly $60k a year) from the big indian consulting firms.

I'm sure this will get lobbied hard but if it gets thru u.s. companies abusing h1b status are going to get stung.

I view this as a direct result of disney and california.

Id prefer the pay be a floating value like "top income quintile" because a fixed amount will simply be abused in another five to ten years.

Since h1b candidates are supposed to have irreplacable skills the pay is justified. And it would open up h1bs for companies that really need these candidates.

It seems out of character for cruz and even against his normal philosophy. Wonder if its a presidential move or simply that companies crossed the line by laying off existing workers to replace them with h1bs.
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I missed this, and I agree this proposal is out of character for Cruz. I mean, it's logical, addresses an actual problem, and has the government intervening in the holy relationship between worker and boss.

At first I balked at the $110K minimum pay (I'd take being abused for that much a year) but it does make sense when married with the "irreplaceable skills" section. I would imagine a lot of US tech corps are going to hate this, but they have no one to blame but themselves.

On second thought, wasn't Cruz born in Canada? Another fucking socialist from the Great White North!!!
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This was the most sensible thing I've heard from the right in a while. Fully on board as it'll return the program to its intended goals.
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Yeah, but what's the Penélope Cruz (visa) proposal?

 
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sikeospi wrote:
Yeah, but what's the Penélope Cruz (visa) proposal?



Well played sir... well played.

First result for "Penelope Cruz with Ted Cruz".



It seems like we were talking about something political a second ago.

 
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And the sound of the sewing machines in the Indian sweat shops drones on.
 
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I'd rather see it tied to local wages rather than $110k. In Cali, that may be starting wages, but here in the midwest, we have engineering supervisors that don't make that.

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maxo-texas wrote:
110k minimum pay and h1b ban for 720 days after layoffs, furloughs, and strikes.


$110k is too high. That's the current salary for Comp Sci PhDs with a few year's experience, but for other disciplines (chemistry, life sciences) freshly-minted PhD's make a lot less. You'd want to put the price point so the H1B's are an option for foreign-born newly graduated PhDs to stay in the country. We should be stapling a visa to every PhD diploma.
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tmcvey wrote:
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110k minimum pay and h1b ban for 720 days after layoffs, furloughs, and strikes.


$110k is too high. That's the current salary for Comp Sci PhDs with a few year's experience, but for other disciplines (chemistry, life sciences) freshly-minted PhD's make a lot less. You'd want to put the price point so the H1B's are an option for foreign-born newly graduated PhDs to stay in the country. We should be stapling a visa to every PhD diploma.


$60k was the original limit 15 years ago. Today that would be $83k.

Close to half of H1B's are paid over $110k. Companies that are willing to pay them $110k are shut out of the process by indian consulting firms.

Look, if they are so rare and special and you can't find any americans (really! honestly! We just advertised in three small town newspayers in montana for positions and couldn't find anyone with 17 years of java and 12 years of swifth in an AS/400 environment!) I would expect they should at least be as rare as 1 in 5 americans.

The purpose of H1B's (the nose in the tent flap anyway) was to bring in exceptional talent with exceptional skills who were never supposed to replace american workers and suppress american wages.

Then we find multiple companies laying off hundreds of american workers and replacing them with indian contractors. Forcing the american workers to train their replacements and sign NDAs not to talk about it if they want any severance.

It's gotten really bad.

I agree we need to make it easier for H1B's to leave their current company and go elsewhere (the process is incredibly hard and failing any step results in deportment and even when it works, they still often go thru a period of deportment paying $$$ airfare to and from india.).
 
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tmcvey wrote:
maxo-texas wrote:
110k minimum pay and h1b ban for 720 days after layoffs, furloughs, and strikes.


$110k is too high. That's the current salary for Comp Sci PhDs with a few year's experience, but for other disciplines (chemistry, life sciences) freshly-minted PhD's make a lot less. You'd want to put the price point so the H1B's are an option for foreign-born newly graduated PhDs to stay in the country. We should be stapling a visa to every PhD diploma.


You don't need a doctorate in the technology industry to make $110k. Any decent developer with 5 to 10 years experience makes that much these days, the good ones make in the 130-180k range. I'm talking about Dallas/Austin here, not San Francisco. Subject matter experts (that is, people who are experts on a single valuable technology or software product) can make $250k or more, especially if they are willing to travel.
 
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As the one person in this forum that had an H1B, I find the proposal to be populist pandering bullshit.

You know why the big outsourcer companies have a bigger share of H1Bs every year? There are two reasons:

1)The green card process is long and pretty risky if you are working directly for a final employer: Job changes, layoffs, and even changes in job descriptions can wreck green card processes if you are working for a company that actually makes something.If you work for an outsourcer, those risks are minimized. So many immigrants pick one of those companies on purpose, because the H1B is a route to the green card.

2)The H1B limits tightened, and the demand keeps increasing, so now, H1Bs are only available for about two days, and then, if you filed in those two days, you have to win a lottery: Last year, the chances of winning said lottery was 1 in 3, and next year will be worse. Which companies can just interview a bunch of people, and then be ok if only a fraction of the people that pass the interview, and accept the offer, get to actually work at the company? Only companies hiring thousands of people at a time, for a wide variety of needs, and will only wonder where they'll end up working later. So the lottery is only really attractive to outsourcers.

The proposal does jack shit about reason number one, so many people will STILL chose the outsourcers for safety. If you demand more money, well, the outsourcers will just jack up their rates for the same talent.

And about the second reason? Well, the lottery will still exists, unless the demand completely dries up (which it won't), so real companies will still not be able to do H1Bs well. If all you want is to approve by staring salary, then do a freaking auction: Higher compensation wins. But then forget about H1Bs outside of San Francisco and NY. I am sure that having the H1Bs migrate to places that already have housing issues, right?

So yes, I think it's a shortsighted, proposal pandering to "conservatives" that mostly hate foreigners, and only love competition when it is on profession others than their own.

But what do I know about how the system works.
 
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hibikir wrote:
But what do I know about how the system works.


Not all that much, apparently. Nothing in what you said refutes the claim that there are already workers in the US who are perfectly capable of doing the work. In fact, there would have been a lot more technology workers if not for the fact that so many people were replaced by H1B visa workers which caused a lot of people to exit the technology field as well as caused less people to get degrees in the technology fields.

There are over 90 million Americans who are currently not working. I'm sure there are more than enough of them to fill any job opening a US based company has.

I do agree with you in that the green card system is completely broken, but relying on the H1B indentured servitude program as a fix is a pretty ridiculous way to solve the problem.
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