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Tom Påhlsson
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Couldn't find it on my first read-through. In most 18xx the bank will only own a maximum of 50% of the same company. Is there a limit in 1862?
 
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Alex P
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First paragraph of 6.4
 
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HolyMotherGoose wrote:
In most 18xx the bank will only own a maximum of 50% of the same company.


It is worth noting that the 1830 limit is 5 certificates, not 50%. Most later games have specified 50%, yes, but 18EA is not among them.
 
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clearclaw wrote:
HolyMotherGoose wrote:
In most 18xx the bank will only own a maximum of 50% of the same company.


It is worth noting that the 1830 limit is 5 certificates, not 50%. Most later games have specified 50%, yes, but 18EA is not among them.

If the 1830 rules here at BGG are accurate (they look like they are), the bank's limit is stated as 50%. The players' limits are 5 certificates.
 
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Thanks, saw it also right on the board itself.

But, I wonder without having played yet, what is to stop a director player from selling his entire company, dumping the share value of minority holders and walking away smiling? Or am I missing something here?
 
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HolyMotherGoose wrote:
Thanks, saw it also right on the board itself.

But, I wonder without having played yet, what is to stop a director player from selling his entire company, dumping the share value of minority holders and walking away smiling? Or am I missing something here?

Not much.

But: because of the zig-zag stock market, share value only drops half a space per share sold. If the company does not have a train, the director only gets half price. And the minority holders can also dump their shares; you're never stuck with a company you don't want.
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Yes; no limit on shares in the bank. This is a common feature of the 1829/1825 family of games, from which 1862 descends. And there's nothing to stop the tactic you describe, but it's not an auto-win tactic. Try it and see what happens.
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Great! Thanks for all quick support. Our group has really only played 1846 before so this will be quite different.
 
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clearclaw wrote:
HolyMotherGoose wrote:
In most 18xx the bank will only own a maximum of 50% of the same company.


It is worth noting that the 1830 limit is 5 certificates, not 50%. Most later games have specified 50%, yes, but 18EA is not among them.


Perhaps, and you can never sell the President's certificate in 1830, so it's 50% maximum, so I'm not entirely sure it is worth noting.
 
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There's at least one 1830 variant in which there are 20% non-President's shares, so it does matter for those.
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Eric Brosius wrote:
Yes; no limit on shares in the bank. This is a common feature of the 1829/1825 family of games, from which 1862 descends. And there's nothing to stop the tactic you describe, but it's not an auto-win tactic. Try it and see what happens.


About one company a game gets abandoned with the crew I play with, and those guys are convention 18xx players.

I've seen companies actually survive being abandoned, and then picked up again by the players, maybe one third of the time. Even then it seems to have been profitable for the players to let the company lose it's value and take the train itself.
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