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...with the 'cancer kids', 'children poverty', and 'starving dog' commercials! While these have always run around the holidays, I can't ever remember the sheer volume of these 'tragedy porn' ads as I've seen this year. I hate to be 'sold-to' regardless of the subject matter, but trying to play on people's emotions like this gets really aggravating after a while. For whatever it's worth, our family already gives to a number of charitable causes, but I really get sick of these constant efforts to inflict guilt on viewers to induce them to give.

It probably doesn't help that I'm inherently suspicious of these organizations putting their hand out for donations. We've all heard too many stories of various charities paying themselves handsome salaries while only a fraction of the donations actually make it to those in need. I've become rather cynical when it comes to these organizations, and my wife and I are pretty selective when it comes to which ones we donate to.

Am I the only one with this sense of annoyance here? Am I just a humbug and a grinch?
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...with the 'cancer kids', 'children poverty', and 'starving dog' commercials! While these have always run around the holidays, I can't ever remember the sheer volume of these 'tragedy porn' ads as I've seen this year. I hate to be 'sold-to' regardless of the subject matter, but trying to play on people's emotions like this gets really aggravating after a while. For whatever it's worth, our family already gives to a number of charitable causes, but I really get sick of these constant efforts to inflict guilt on viewers to induce them to give.

It probably doesn't help that I'm inherently suspicious of these organizations putting their hand out for donations. We've all heard too many stories of various charities paying themselves handsome salaries while only a fraction of the donations actually make it to those in need. I've become rather cynical when it comes to these organizations, and my wife and I are pretty selective when it comes to which ones we donate to.

Am I the only one with this sense of annoyance here? Am I just a humbug and a grinch?


They advertise now because it's more effective to advertise now, because there is an actual spirit of giving that surrounds Christmas in America.

Which is, bizarrely, inherently Christian, in a particular sense. So is spending time with your family. (Unlike, of course, the date and the syncretism of Yule and Saturnalia et al.)
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Being manipulative when asking for donations is not new. It's an especially common tactic for low quality charities that spend little money on the actual charity activities, and a lot of management and fundraising.

The way I approach donations is to first come out with how much money I want to donate, and only then figure out which charities will get a piece, and making sure the money actually goes to the actual cause, not further fundraising.

Interestingly, the easier the awareness of a charity, the crappier it tends to be, precisely because it means they are spending a bunch of money promoting themselves. For instance, the American Cancer Society only spends 60.6% on program related activity, while a good charity spends at least 90%

I for one think that being careful and trying to maximize the good we do with our donations, instead of just going for a quick response based on a sad, personal story from a charity we can't evaluate, is not being a grinch, but being responsible with our generosity.
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I always use Charity Navigator (www.charitynavigator.org) before sending any money to any charity. They rate hundreds of US and Int'l charities on admin costs, transparency, executive compensation, etc.


Oh, and never give at the checkout lane in stores. I know it's only $1-$5 but the store chains take the tax writeoff for themselves. While $5 dosen't matter much, I'm not letting the Walton family reduce their taxes with my money.
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Well.. at least you are safe here in RSP.

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Drew1365 wrote:
cooler king wrote:
I always use Charity Navigator (www.charitynavigator.org) before sending any money to any charity. They rate hundreds of US and Int'l charities on admin costs, transparency, executive compensation, etc.


Check out the Clinton Foundation. devil


The site hasn't rated a foundation of that name but ... they have an unrated Bill Hillary & Chelsea Clinton Foundation which is what I think you mean.

The site says this:
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Why isn't this organization rated?
We had previously evaluated this organization, but have since determined that this charity's atypical business model can not be accurately captured in our current rating methodology. Our removal of The Clinton Foundation from our site is neither a condemnation nor an endorsement of this charity. We reserve the right to reinstate a rating for The Clinton Foundation as soon as we identify a rating methodology that appropriately captures its business model.

What does it mean that this organization isn’t rated?

It simply means that the organization doesn't meet our criteria. A lack of a rating does not indicate a positive or negative assessment by Charity Navigator.


The site also doesn't rate the Salvation Army.


I found the BHC Foundation financials are here:

http://online.fliphtml5.com/dyjm/lpkb/#p=94

They spend 7% to run the charity.
They spend 4.5% on fundraising.
They spend 88.4% on programs.

By comparison the Red Cross spends 6.0% on fund raising and 4% to run the charity and 90% on programs.

FWIW, the Shriners are worse in every category! (79%! spent on programs, 15% on admin, and 4.7% on fundraising)

Anyway...

57% of the BHC Foundation annual spending went to fighting aids and helping people live with aids in the developing world.

http://www.clintonhealthaccess.org/
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The Clinton Health Access Initiative, Inc. (CHAI) was founded in 2002 with a transformational goal: help save the lives of millions living with HIV/AIDS in the developing world.



Now... I agree they are probably abusing the charity to the extent that all wealthy people abuse their associated charities for paid travel, tax free private parties at special locations, and conferences in exotic locations.

The clinton's do have unusually high travel expenses personally- but that's required due to their status as ex president, secretary of state, and "daughter of" above.

The clinton foundation doesn't appears to be out of line with other major charities. Major charities have larger admin costs and are less effective.

But here's a five star rated charity
http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary...
Aaron Diamond AIDS Research Center

They spend 15% to run the charity.
They spend 0.1% on fundraising.
They spend 84.2% on programs.

Not a big difference.
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maxo-texas wrote:
Drew1365 wrote:
cooler king wrote:
I always use Charity Navigator (www.charitynavigator.org) before sending any money to any charity. They rate hundreds of US and Int'l charities on admin costs, transparency, executive compensation, etc.


Check out the Clinton Foundation. devil


The site hasn't rated a foundation of that name or any other charity with "Clinton" in the name..

They have an unrated Bill Hillary & Chelsea Clinton Foundation.

The site says this:
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Why isn't this organization rated?
We had previously evaluated this organization, but have since determined that this charity's atypical business model can not be accurately captured in our current rating methodology. Our removal of The Clinton Foundation from our site is neither a condemnation nor an endorsement of this charity. We reserve the right to reinstate a rating for The Clinton Foundation as soon as we identify a rating methodology that appropriately captures its business model.

What does it mean that this organization isn’t rated?

It simply means that the organization doesn't meet our criteria. A lack of a rating does not indicate a positive or negative assessment by Charity Navigator.


The site also doesn't rate the Salvation Army.

The BHC Foundation financials are here:

http://online.fliphtml5.com/dyjm/lpkb/#p=94

They spend 7% to run the charity.
They spend 4.5% on fundraising.
They spend 88.4% on programs.

By comparison the Red Cross spends 6.0% on fund raising and 4% to run the charity and 90% on programs.

FWIW, the Shriners are worse in every category! (79%! spent on programs, 15% on admin, and 4.7% on fundraising)

57% of the BHC Foundation annual spending went to fighting aids and helping people live with aids in the developing world.

http://www.clintonhealthaccess.org/
Quote:

The Clinton Health Access Initiative, Inc. (CHAI) was founded in 2002 with a transformational goal: help save the lives of millions living with HIV/AIDS in the developing world.



Now... I agree they are probably abusing the charity to the extent that all wealthy people associated with charities abuse them. Getting paid travel, tax free galas at the museum which is only open to the top members and donators, conferences in exotic locations.

The clinton foundation doesn't appears to be out of line with other major charities. Major charities have larger admin costs and are less effective.

But here's a five star rated charity
http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary...
Aaron Diamond AIDS Research Center

They spend 15% to run the charity.
They spend 0.1% on fundraising.
They spend 84.2% on programs.

Not a big difference.

Are you bringing facts to this discussion, dear sir?
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einsteinidahosu wrote:
maxo-texas wrote:
Drew1365 wrote:
cooler king wrote:
I always use Charity Navigator (www.charitynavigator.org) before sending any money to any charity. They rate hundreds of US and Int'l charities on admin costs, transparency, executive compensation, etc.


Check out the Clinton Foundation. devil


The site hasn't rated a foundation of that name or any other charity with "Clinton" in the name..

They have an unrated Bill Hillary & Chelsea Clinton Foundation.

The site says this:
Quote:
Why isn't this organization rated?
We had previously evaluated this organization, but have since determined that this charity's atypical business model can not be accurately captured in our current rating methodology. Our removal of The Clinton Foundation from our site is neither a condemnation nor an endorsement of this charity. We reserve the right to reinstate a rating for The Clinton Foundation as soon as we identify a rating methodology that appropriately captures its business model.

What does it mean that this organization isn’t rated?

It simply means that the organization doesn't meet our criteria. A lack of a rating does not indicate a positive or negative assessment by Charity Navigator.


The site also doesn't rate the Salvation Army.

The BHC Foundation financials are here:

http://online.fliphtml5.com/dyjm/lpkb/#p=94

They spend 7% to run the charity.
They spend 4.5% on fundraising.
They spend 88.4% on programs.

By comparison the Red Cross spends 6.0% on fund raising and 4% to run the charity and 90% on programs.

FWIW, the Shriners are worse in every category! (79%! spent on programs, 15% on admin, and 4.7% on fundraising)

57% of the BHC Foundation annual spending went to fighting aids and helping people live with aids in the developing world.

http://www.clintonhealthaccess.org/
Quote:

The Clinton Health Access Initiative, Inc. (CHAI) was founded in 2002 with a transformational goal: help save the lives of millions living with HIV/AIDS in the developing world.



Now... I agree they are probably abusing the charity to the extent that all wealthy people associated with charities abuse them. Getting paid travel, tax free galas at the museum which is only open to the top members and donators, conferences in exotic locations.

The clinton foundation doesn't appears to be out of line with other major charities. Major charities have larger admin costs and are less effective.

But here's a five star rated charity
http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary...
Aaron Diamond AIDS Research Center

They spend 15% to run the charity.
They spend 0.1% on fundraising.
They spend 84.2% on programs.

Not a big difference.

Are you bringing facts to this discussion, dear sir?


I was curious.

You caught me mid edit! I was polishing up the text a bit.
 
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The other reason for the ads now [in addition "Christmas spirit"] is that it is almost the end of the tax year.

So, if you want to make a donation to a tax approved charity now is a good time to do it because you get a deduction next April 15th.

After New Year the ads will stop.

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Cut your cord, man. My Netflix and Hulu and Vidangel are commercial-free. I've hardly seen a commercial for over ten years
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The Mormon church takes out $0 for admin or anything else
https://www.lds.org/topics/humanitarian-service?lang=eng
 
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tesuji wrote:
Cut your cord, man. My Netflix and Hulu and Vidangel are commercial-free. I've hardly seen a commercial for over ten years


When did Hulu become commercial-free?
 
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Jythier wrote:
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Cut your cord, man. My Netflix and Hulu and Vidangel are commercial-free. I've hardly seen a commercial for over ten years


When did Hulu become commercial-free?


When you pay for it.
 
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Jythier wrote:
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Cut your cord, man. My Netflix and Hulu and Vidangel are commercial-free. I've hardly seen a commercial for over ten years


When did Hulu become commercial-free?

It's a recent thing. You pay a little extra for it.

What it made me realize is networks are probably making an infinitessimal amount off my eyeballs, contrasted to the extreme annoyance on my part with their ads
 
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batman wrote:
Jythier wrote:
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Cut your cord, man. My Netflix and Hulu and Vidangel are commercial-free. I've hardly seen a commercial for over ten years


When did Hulu become commercial-free?


When you pay for it.


When we had the full trial of Hulu it didn't have ad-free. Which probably would have sold us Hulu.
 
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Obviously Leo, you don't watch enough television. I see those ads pretty much year-round. Granted, you don't see them while watching football or basketball games, but if you're married and forced to watch the occasional chick flick or cooking show with the wife, you'd see them.

And frankly, I don't have a problem with them. Yes, I carefully investigate which charities receive my hard-earned dollars, but in America at least, people tend towards being self-absorbed and dismissive of the plight of others. Sometimes you have to slap the selfish in the face with a video of a kid picking through a garbage dump and eating the first thing he/she pulls out that is remotely edible.
 
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Obviously Leo, you don't watch enough television. I see those ads pretty much year-round. Granted, you don't see them while watching football or basketball games, but if you're married and forced to watch the occasional chick flick or cooking show with the wife, you'd see them.

And frankly, I don't have a problem with them. Yes, I carefully investigate which charities receive my hard-earned dollars, but in America at least, people tend towards being self-absorbed and dismissive of the plight of others. Sometimes you have to slap the selfish in the face with a video of a kid picking through a garbage dump and eating the first thing he/she pulls out that is remotely edible.


Those are the lucky kids. Most of them spend all day going through the trash and then have to turn in whatever they find.
 
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Capitalism can't help people so those in need must resort to begging, charity and other forms of monetary extortion outside of those sanctioned by the capitalist's ideology.
 
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Capitalism can't help people so those in need must resort to begging, charity and other forms of monetary extortion outside of those sanctioned by the capitalist's ideology.


Ha ha, he thinks there's actually some practical system where there won't be poor, destitute and hungry people. That's a good one.
 
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They advertise now because it's more effective to advertise now, because there is an actual spirit of giving that surrounds Christmas in America.



...and it's just before the end of the tax year.
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batman wrote:
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Capitalism can't help people so those in need must resort to begging, charity and other forms of monetary extortion outside of those sanctioned by the capitalist's ideology.


Ha ha, he thinks there's actually some practical system where there won't be poor, destitute and hungry people. That's a good one.


Actually, that is the trend for many societies. I don't think we'll get to 100% but there is so much plenty we could for everyone who wasn't mentally disturbed or had a substance abuse problem.

But who am I to say...

I'm just a clown that plays around with misery in my way
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Capitalism can't help people so those in need must resort to begging, charity and other forms of monetary extortion outside of those sanctioned by the capitalist's ideology.


Ha ha, he thinks there's actually some practical system where there won't be poor, destitute and hungry people. That's a good one.

It dues to mean we can stop trying tho
 
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tmcvey wrote:
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They advertise now because it's more effective to advertise now, because there is an actual spirit of giving that surrounds Christmas in America.


...and it's just before the end of the tax year.


Solid point.

But it's fairly rare that donating money will result in you getting more money -- although with our incredibly stupid bracketed system, it's not THAT rare.

And people think the solution is less brackets, rather than a simple formula, because... math is hard, I guess?
 
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