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Interesting to see the way she treats her supporters:

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/22/hillary-clint...


Maybe she was feeling the Bern.....


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http://matzav.com/secret-service-agents-hillary-is-a-nightma...

She apparently has a reputation with those that protect her, and it does not appear to be a good one. This should not be seen as an endorsement for or against Democrats, simply a knock against her as a person...one wonders though how she'd do as President, which in essence, is a 'people person' kind of job.
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http://matzav.com/secret-service-agents-hillary-is-a-nightma...

She apparently has a reputation with those that protect her, and it does not appear to be a good one. This should not be seen as an endorsement for or against Democrats, simply a knock against her as a person...one wonders though how she'd do as President, which in essence, is a 'people person' kind of job.


She knows which people matter and which ones don't. She'll be personable-ish with those who do matter. People like her supporters, why should it matter whether she is likeable to them or not? They don't matter.
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well if Hillary Clinton isn't nice clearly that means her policy preferences will be altered by this somehow

oh wait that's not how it works
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Drew1365 wrote:


Ouch....
 
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well if Hillary Clinton isn't nice clearly that means her policy preferences will be altered by this somehow

oh wait that's not how it works


Pretty sure that thing that went whizzing by your head was the point....


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mightygodking wrote:
well if Hillary Clinton isn't nice clearly that means her policy preferences will be altered by this somehow

oh wait that's not how it works


Pretty sure that thing that went whizzing by your head was the point...


"The point" is meaningless, the thing so many people complain about here. It's meaning-free politics. Hillary Clinton might be a mean and nasty person, but so what? Lots of successful politicians are mean and nasty. LBJ was an asshole, FDR was widely considered to be a patronizing dick, etc.

Really, who in the presidential race - for either party - comes across as a nice person? Christie is a bullying blowhard, Ted Cruz is the most hated person in politics for reasons that have nothing to do with policy, Marco Rubio's political history is a long series of stabs in the back, Bernie Sanders is the crankiest motherfucker imaginable, O'Malley is literally Tommy Carcetti from The Wire, Trump is Trump, et cetera.

Their niceness is not material to anything. It's fluff. What matters is their policy and the likelihood that they will be able to achieve some/all of that policy. Another "oh look here's a moment when Hillary appeared mean and/or unpopular" story is just mean-girling your way through political discourse. Grow the fuck up already.
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mightygodking wrote:
Ferretman wrote:
mightygodking wrote:
well if Hillary Clinton isn't nice clearly that means her policy preferences will be altered by this somehow

oh wait that's not how it works


Pretty sure that thing that went whizzing by your head was the point...


"The point" is meaningless, the thing so many people complain about here. It's meaning-free politics. Hillary Clinton might be a mean and nasty person, but so what? Lots of successful politicians are mean and nasty. LBJ was an asshole, FDR was widely considered to be a patronizing dick, etc.

Really, who in the presidential race - for either party - comes across as a nice person? Christie is a bullying blowhard, Ted Cruz is the most hated person in politics for reasons that have nothing to do with policy, Marco Rubio's political history is a long series of stabs in the back, Bernie Sanders is the crankiest motherfucker imaginable, O'Malley is literally Tommy Carcetti from The Wire, Trump is Trump, et cetera.

Their niceness is not material to anything. It's fluff. What matters is their policy and the likelihood that they will be able to achieve some/all of that policy. Another "oh look here's a moment when Hillary appeared mean and/or unpopular" story is just mean-girling your way through political discourse. Grow the fuck up already.


Yeah, well, many people vote based on their vague perceptions or liking of the candidate so I wouldn't be dismissive of it.
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And she made them listen to Demi Lavato, too. Maybe THIS will finally be the end of Hillary's campaign.
 
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That title is sorta confusing, since the people are made because the speech was five minutes. The way you wrote the title implies they waited knowing it was a 5 minute speech and they were mad for other reasons.
 
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That title is sorta confusing, since the people are made because the speech was five minutes. The way you wrote the title implies they waited knowing it was a 5 minute speech and they were mad for other reasons.


I just quoted, I'd guess the writers at *The Guardian* came up with the title....


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Their niceness is not material to anything. It's fluff. What matters is their policy and the likelihood that they will be able to achieve some/all of that policy. Another "oh look here's a moment when Hillary appeared mean and/or unpopular" story is just mean-girling your way through political discourse. Grow the fuck up already.


I don't care how nice a politician is (because they're probably lying if they act that way, especially at that level). But right now her job is to pretend to be nice to potential voters and not say anything stupid/damaging. Blowing off a crowd of supporters may not lose her many votes*, but it sure as hell won't gain any. She'd have been better off to send an underling to apologize profusely (and potentially at length) with a good excuse than to show up and make clear she's blowing off the crowd.

(Possibly would have reduced our Secret Service costs, too.)

IMO, it shows average to poor judgement, but it may not hurt her much.

*Trump's comment that shooting someone on 5th Avenue wouldn't lose him any supporters is clearly how Hilary thinks even if she doesn't say it out loud (and those two are far from the only ones). They are probably close to correct, so disrespecting supporters probably won't either.
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mightygodking wrote:
Ferretman wrote:
mightygodking wrote:
well if Hillary Clinton isn't nice clearly that means her policy preferences will be altered by this somehow

oh wait that's not how it works


Pretty sure that thing that went whizzing by your head was the point...


"The point" is meaningless, the thing so many people complain about here. It's meaning-free politics. Hillary Clinton might be a mean and nasty person, but so what? Lots of successful politicians are mean and nasty. LBJ was an asshole, FDR was widely considered to be a patronizing dick, etc.

Really, who in the presidential race - for either party - comes across as a nice person? Christie is a bullying blowhard, Ted Cruz is the most hated person in politics for reasons that have nothing to do with policy, Marco Rubio's political history is a long series of stabs in the back, Bernie Sanders is the crankiest motherfucker imaginable, O'Malley is literally Tommy Carcetti from The Wire, Trump is Trump, et cetera.

Their niceness is not material to anything. It's fluff. What matters is their policy and the likelihood that they will be able to achieve some/all of that policy. Another "oh look here's a moment when Hillary appeared mean and/or unpopular" story is just mean-girling your way through political discourse. Grow the fuck up already.

I agree. In the sense that positions of power attract assholes and narcissists.
 
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Ferretman wrote:
AndrewRogue wrote:
That title is sorta confusing, since the people are made because the speech was five minutes. The way you wrote the title implies they waited knowing it was a 5 minute speech and they were mad for other reasons.


I just quoted, I'd guess the writers at *The Guardian* came up with the title....


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Fair enough. Shit headline is on The Guardian. Shocker there.

Still, I feel you should do your own work and clear things up if you're going to share information.
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she2 wrote:
mightygodking wrote:
Ferretman wrote:
mightygodking wrote:
well if Hillary Clinton isn't nice clearly that means her policy preferences will be altered by this somehow

oh wait that's not how it works


Pretty sure that thing that went whizzing by your head was the point...


"The point" is meaningless, the thing so many people complain about here. It's meaning-free politics. Hillary Clinton might be a mean and nasty person, but so what? Lots of successful politicians are mean and nasty. LBJ was an asshole, FDR was widely considered to be a patronizing dick, etc.

Really, who in the presidential race - for either party - comes across as a nice person? Christie is a bullying blowhard, Ted Cruz is the most hated person in politics for reasons that have nothing to do with policy, Marco Rubio's political history is a long series of stabs in the back, Bernie Sanders is the crankiest motherfucker imaginable, O'Malley is literally Tommy Carcetti from The Wire, Trump is Trump, et cetera.

Their niceness is not material to anything. It's fluff. What matters is their policy and the likelihood that they will be able to achieve some/all of that policy. Another "oh look here's a moment when Hillary appeared mean and/or unpopular" story is just mean-girling your way through political discourse. Grow the fuck up already.


Yeah, well, many people vote based on their vague perceptions or liking of the candidate so I wouldn't be dismissive of it.


http://deadpresidents.tumblr.com/post/43949692433/the-johnso...

One can forgive being overbearing in one's job if they do it well. But there is a difference between being unliked in one's job, versus unliked as a person. Comments on Hillary seem to sway toward the latter. Although some might consider LBJ to have been an a-hole, he was an effective leader in the Senate.
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AndrewRogue wrote:
Ferretman wrote:
AndrewRogue wrote:
That title is sorta confusing, since the people are made because the speech was five minutes. The way you wrote the title implies they waited knowing it was a 5 minute speech and they were mad for other reasons.


I just quoted, I'd guess the writers at *The Guardian* came up with the title....


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Fair enough. Shit headline is on The Guardian. Shocker there.

Still, I feel you should do your own work and clear things up if you're going to share information.


Thanks for the advice -- I'll be sure to apply it to your submissions for the next bit as well if you'd like. Help keep you on the straight and narrow.

Editing the title is at best a mixed bag. If you edit it poorly you end up being called out for slanting the title one way or the other, or perhaps making it more than it is. On the other hand, if you just quote the article directly you get second-guessers who apparently are angry it gores their ox and who similarly critique the result.

Hard to win either way. Easier to just post the actual article and let the critiquers (is that a word?) go after the original author.

You can contact The Guardian at this URL:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&c...

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