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Interesting Op-Ed at CNN.

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/02/10/opinions/sanders-views-are...

I'm not sure if Bernie Sanders is more maintstream than people think, or that the economic and political conditions of the US are pissing off so many non-1 percenters the voters are maybe looking to more radical positions than before.
 
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Interesting Op-Ed at CNN.

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/02/10/opinions/sanders-views-are...

I'm not sure if Bernie Sanders is more maintstream than people think, or that the economic and political conditions of the US are pissing off so many non-1 percenters the voters are maybe looking to more radical positions than before.


Well, the takers are starting to outnumber the makers, so I guess the screams for give me free stuff would have to be considered main stream.
 
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I think that yes, Sanders does represent a political outlook that has always been there. The difference is that the right have gone so far into the deep end that moderates no longer have a counter point to their sense of a fair society.

The shrill scream of Socialist is watered down when it accompanied by "GAYS!" and "FEMINISTS" and "WOGS!".
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Yah!! Free stuff like tax incentives for building stadiums or race tracks! Free stuff like lower taxes for the wealthiest Americans while sales taxes, licensing fees and payroll taxes don't budge or get worse!

The Takers are most DEFINITELY outnumbering the Makers, at least in our political class. Those who actually MAKE SHIT- you know, work- are definitely being screwed over by the Takers, who keep on taking from the Middle and Lower classes and tell us to be grateful we've even got jobs.

Oh, and look! ISIS!!! Mexicans!!! Gay Marriage!! CAKE!!!!!

Shut up and be grateful!! But don't vote, unless its for an Establishment Republican.

When we figure out who that's going to be.....

Darilian
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Yah!! Free stuff like tax incentives for building stadiums or race tracks! Free stuff like lower taxes for the wealthiest Americans while sales taxes, licensing fees and payroll taxes don't budge or get worse!

The Takers are most DEFINITELY outnumbering the Makers, at least in our political class. Those who actually MAKE SHIT- you know, work- are definitely being screwed over by the Takers, who keep on taking from the Middle and Lower classes and tell us to be grateful we've even got jobs.

Oh, and look! ISIS!!! Mexicans!!! Gay Marriage!! CAKE!!!!! BENGHAZIIII!!!!

Shut up and be grateful!! But don't vote, unless its for an Establishment Republican.

When we figure out who that's going to be.....

Darilian


You forgot one...
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Darilian wrote:
Yah!! Free stuff like tax incentives for building stadiums or race tracks! Free stuff like lower taxes for the wealthiest Americans while sales taxes, licensing fees and payroll taxes don't budge or get worse!

The Takers are most DEFINITELY outnumbering the Makers, at least in our political class. Those who actually MAKE SHIT- you know, work- are definitely being screwed over by the Takers, who keep on taking from the Middle and Lower classes and tell us to be grateful we've even got jobs.

Oh, and look! ISIS!!! Mexicans!!! Gay Marriage!! CAKE!!!!!

Shut up and be grateful!! But don't vote, unless its for an Establishment Republican.

When we figure out who that's going to be.....

Darilian


We do everything we can for the poor! Look at how many of them we hire to clean our houses!
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Interesting Op-Ed at CNN.

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/02/10/opinions/sanders-views-are...

I'm not sure if Bernie Sanders is more maintstream than people think, or that the economic and political conditions of the US are pissing off so many non-1 percenters the voters are maybe looking to more radical positions than before.


It's more #2 than anything else...the nation continues (thankfully) to be a center-right nation.

People are just mad at everybody in DC and want things to be shook up hard.


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bbenston wrote:

We do everything we can for the poor! Look at how many of them we hire to clean our houses!


That does seem to be the Democrat SJW position:

http://hotair.com/archives/2015/08/04/kelly-osbourne-to-dona...

And for what it's worth the article later quotes Trump as well saying more or less the same thing, so it's definitely an attitude many share.



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Yay SJW!
 
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TheDashi wrote:
remorseless1 wrote:
Interesting Op-Ed at CNN.

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/02/10/opinions/sanders-views-are...

I'm not sure if Bernie Sanders is more maintstream than people think, or that the economic and political conditions of the US are pissing off so many non-1 percenters the voters are maybe looking to more radical positions than before.


Well, the takers are starting to outnumber the makers, so I guess the screams for give me free stuff would have to be considered main stream.


You've got it completely backwards. The takers are a tiny group compared to the makers.
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Yay SJW!


They should have a flag...do they have a flag?


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The Democratic Party is moving left. Has moved left. Far, far left.

Even Hillary has had to come out against many things her husband supported in order to remain viable in today's Democratic Party.

I keep wondering how long the Democratic Party itself remains viable. Do you Dems realize just how awful the last 8 years have been for you, electorally. I mean, sure, you got your Marxist President in again, but you've been taking a real beating at the box office.

Since the start of the Obama regime, you've lost 13 Senate seats, 69 House seats, 12 governors, and almost a thousand state legislature seats.

What will you do to turn your party around?


Drew,
What sort of vortex are you using that allows you to type things on the internet of your alternate dimension and have them show up on the internet of my dimension?
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TheDashi wrote:
remorseless1 wrote:
Interesting Op-Ed at CNN.

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/02/10/opinions/sanders-views-are...

I'm not sure if Bernie Sanders is more maintstream than people think, or that the economic and political conditions of the US are pissing off so many non-1 percenters the voters are maybe looking to more radical positions than before.


Well, the takers are starting to outnumber the makers, so I guess the screams for give me free stuff would have to be considered main stream.


You've got it completely backwards. The takers are a tiny group compared to the makers.


How many people pay no income tax AT ALL?
How many people are on food stamps?
Sighs....
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Drew1365 wrote:
The Democratic Party is moving left. Has moved left. Far, far left.

Even Hillary has had to come out against many things her husband supported in order to remain viable in today's Democratic Party.

I keep wondering how long the Democratic Party itself remains viable. Do you Dems realize just how awful the last 8 years have been for you, electorally. I mean, sure, you got your Marxist President in again, but you've been taking a real beating at the box office.

Since the start of the Obama regime, you've lost 13 Senate seats, 69 House seats, 12 governors, and almost a thousand state legislature seats.

What will you do to turn your party around?


Drew,
What sort of vortex are you using that allows you to type things on the internet of your alternate dimension and have them show up on the internet of my dimension?


What exactly is he wrong about here?
 
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Ferretman wrote:
slatersteven wrote:
Yay SJW!


They should have a flag...do they have a flag?


Ferret


Ohh sorry wrong type of social justice.
 
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Darilian wrote:
Yah!! Free stuff like tax incentives for building stadiums or race tracks! Free stuff like lower taxes for the wealthiest Americans while sales taxes, licensing fees and payroll taxes don't budge or get worse!

The Takers are most DEFINITELY outnumbering the Makers, at least in our political class. Those who actually MAKE SHIT- you know, work- are definitely being screwed over by the Takers, who keep on taking from the Middle and Lower classes and tell us to be grateful we've even got jobs.

Oh, and look! ISIS!!! Mexicans!!! Gay Marriage!! CAKE!!!!!

Shut up and be grateful!! But don't vote, unless its for an Establishment Republican.

When we figure out who that's going to be.....

Darilian


Don't forget it's not just free stuff it's free reign, like eminent domain.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vera_Coking

Lousy poors fucking everything up.
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TheDashi wrote:
Shushnik wrote:
TheDashi wrote:
remorseless1 wrote:
Interesting Op-Ed at CNN.

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/02/10/opinions/sanders-views-are...

I'm not sure if Bernie Sanders is more maintstream than people think, or that the economic and political conditions of the US are pissing off so many non-1 percenters the voters are maybe looking to more radical positions than before.


Well, the takers are starting to outnumber the makers, so I guess the screams for give me free stuff would have to be considered main stream.


You've got it completely backwards. The takers are a tiny group compared to the makers.


How many people pay no income tax AT ALL?
How many people are on food stamps?
Sighs....


How many people work their fingers to the bone and can't pay rent and still buy food while paying higher taxes than your average billionaire who takes from the system?
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Shushnik wrote:
TheDashi wrote:
Shushnik wrote:
TheDashi wrote:
remorseless1 wrote:
Interesting Op-Ed at CNN.

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/02/10/opinions/sanders-views-are...

I'm not sure if Bernie Sanders is more maintstream than people think, or that the economic and political conditions of the US are pissing off so many non-1 percenters the voters are maybe looking to more radical positions than before.


Well, the takers are starting to outnumber the makers, so I guess the screams for give me free stuff would have to be considered main stream.


You've got it completely backwards. The takers are a tiny group compared to the makers.


How many people pay no income tax AT ALL?
How many people are on food stamps?
Sighs....


How many people work their fingers to the bone and can't pay rent and still buy food while paying higher taxes than your average billionaire who takes from the system?


Oh, I see. YOu are just completely confused.
I can see how one would be confused with thinking that people that pay no federal income tax are taxed higher than your average billionaire.
Makes perfect sense to me.
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remorseless1 wrote:
Interesting Op-Ed at CNN.

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/02/10/opinions/sanders-views-are...

I'm not sure if Bernie Sanders is more maintstream than people think, or that the economic and political conditions of the US are pissing off so many non-1 percenters the voters are maybe looking to more radical positions than before.


I don't even think it is an expression of real direct support for Bernie as it is a rejection of 15yrs of fear and terror from the R. It's a superficial example but take Bernie's and Trump's various victory pictures from NH. Bernie:smiling, jubilant. Trump:scowling, glowering. People are basically sick of the doomsayers and the can't do attitude. Trump's campaign (and not just his to be fair) is about how America has fallen, we're some low defeated people, beset by enemies, weak and in need of being made whole again. People alare sick of that noise. For all our faults America is still fu king awesome. If we sucked we wouldn't have problems with illegal immigration America can always,improve. Self improvement has been a hallmark of our national identity. Bernie sells the idea of improving on greatness, evdn if you think the specifics need to be different it is something more people can embrace.

Tl;dr Positivity is mainstream.
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TheDashi wrote:
Shushnik wrote:
TheDashi wrote:
Shushnik wrote:
TheDashi wrote:
remorseless1 wrote:
Interesting Op-Ed at CNN.

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/02/10/opinions/sanders-views-are...

I'm not sure if Bernie Sanders is more maintstream than people think, or that the economic and political conditions of the US are pissing off so many non-1 percenters the voters are maybe looking to more radical positions than before.


Well, the takers are starting to outnumber the makers, so I guess the screams for give me free stuff would have to be considered main stream.


You've got it completely backwards. The takers are a tiny group compared to the makers.


How many people pay no income tax AT ALL?
How many people are on food stamps?
Sighs....


How many people work their fingers to the bone and can't pay rent and still buy food while paying higher taxes than your average billionaire who takes from the system?


Oh, I see. YOu are just completely confused.
I can see how one would be confused with thinking that people that pay no federal income tax are taxed higher than your average billionaire.
Makes perfect sense to me.


Federal income is hardly the only tax people pay. And they are far more progressive than just about every state's tax system. Which have nice loopholes where some states have little or no income tax while others the same for sales tax. But the poor don't have the resources to game that system, now do they?

I'm not confused at all. I just don't cherry pick the data. I take my head out of my ass and look at the whole picture. You should try it some time.
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Drew1365 wrote:
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What exactly is he wrong about here?


I admit my numbers on their losses may be slightly off. But the story that all the Democrats want to ignore is just how badly they've been beaten over the last 8 years.

Do you think it's just some unlucky bit of timing that resulted in the Dems' best hopes for 2016 being a couple of ancient white people? (While the Republican slate, particularly at the start of the race, was full of young politicians representing the great diversity of America.)

Democrats are old and ossified, ideologically and personally.

Even a Democrat like Trump doesn't want to be identified as a Democrat, and so he's running as a Republican.


Oh yeah I forgot.
It is not unlike these idiots to nitpick if you say 997 instead of 996.
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TheDashi wrote:
Drew1365 wrote:
TheDashi wrote:
What exactly is he wrong about here?


I admit my numbers on their losses may be slightly off. But the story that all the Democrats want to ignore is just how badly they've been beaten over the last 8 years.

Do you think it's just some unlucky bit of timing that resulted in the Dems' best hopes for 2016 being a couple of ancient white people? (While the Republican slate, particularly at the start of the race, was full of young politicians representing the great diversity of America.)

Democrats are old and ossified, ideologically and personally.

Even a Democrat like Trump doesn't want to be identified as a Democrat, and so he's running as a Republican.


Oh yeah I forgot.
It is not unlike these idiots to nitpick if you say 997 instead of 996.
No they just nit pick of you say 996 is more then 997.
 
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slatersteven wrote:
TheDashi wrote:
Drew1365 wrote:
TheDashi wrote:
What exactly is he wrong about here?


I admit my numbers on their losses may be slightly off. But the story that all the Democrats want to ignore is just how badly they've been beaten over the last 8 years.

Do you think it's just some unlucky bit of timing that resulted in the Dems' best hopes for 2016 being a couple of ancient white people? (While the Republican slate, particularly at the start of the race, was full of young politicians representing the great diversity of America.)

Democrats are old and ossified, ideologically and personally.

Even a Democrat like Trump doesn't want to be identified as a Democrat, and so he's running as a Republican.


Oh yeah I forgot.
It is not unlike these idiots to nitpick if you say 997 instead of 996.
No they just nit pick of you say 996 is more then 997.


Annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd fuck off slater.
 
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Shushnik wrote:
TheDashi wrote:
Shushnik wrote:
TheDashi wrote:
Shushnik wrote:
TheDashi wrote:
remorseless1 wrote:
Interesting Op-Ed at CNN.

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/02/10/opinions/sanders-views-are...

I'm not sure if Bernie Sanders is more maintstream than people think, or that the economic and political conditions of the US are pissing off so many non-1 percenters the voters are maybe looking to more radical positions than before.


Well, the takers are starting to outnumber the makers, so I guess the screams for give me free stuff would have to be considered main stream.


You've got it completely backwards. The takers are a tiny group compared to the makers.


How many people pay no income tax AT ALL?
How many people are on food stamps?
Sighs....


How many people work their fingers to the bone and can't pay rent and still buy food while paying higher taxes than your average billionaire who takes from the system?


Oh, I see. YOu are just completely confused.
I can see how one would be confused with thinking that people that pay no federal income tax are taxed higher than your average billionaire.
Makes perfect sense to me.


Federal income is hardly the only tax people pay. And they are far more progressive than just about every state's tax system. Which have nice loopholes where some states have little or no income tax while others the same for sales tax. But the poor don't have the resources to game that system, now do they?

I'm not confused at all. I just don't cherry pick the data. I take my head out of my ass and look at the whole picture. You should try it some time.


Maybe that is something someone should do.
If your income is SO low, you should get a card that exempts you from sales tax.
Brilliant.
Morons.......
 
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Drew1365 wrote:

What will you do to turn your party around?


Wait 15 years. The problem will handle itself.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/05/the-gop-is-dy...
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