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Can someone explain how to make the deductions with the neutral token? Txs.
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The two ingredients that make a neutral are exactly opposite. With this information although you get no immediate information, if you mix this with other information you can determine what the make up of that ingredient is.

Il write a full guide later when on a laptop (rather than phone) for you if no one else does beforehand.
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If you know that A and B make neutral potion, you need some extra information to start exploiting this "neutral knowledge".

If you find out that A and C make RED +, than you can deduce that A has RED + in alchemical and if A and B make neutral potion, than B has to have RED -.

Also, since B has RED - and C has RED +, you know that B and C will not make neither red potion nor neutral one (= they will create blue or green potion).

So basically - almost every token you have placed in A row(s) in the deduction triangle will let you deduce something about B and vice versa.

It's really powerful!
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If you remember nothing else, remember this:

If elements X and Y are a neutralizing pair, then:

Crossing off any odd number alchemical under column X allows you to cross out the next alchemical down under column Y.

Crossing off any even number alchemical under column X allows you to cross out the next alchemical up under column Y.

And vice versa.


This is because alchemical in sequential rows of the deduction grid are neutralizing pairs. 1 neutralizes 2, 3 neutralizes 4, etc.

If you know mushroom neutralizes fern, and you know mushroom is not #1, then you also know that fern is not #2.
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Txs very helpful!
 
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Txs this help!
 
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Curious to read your guide!
 
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Ambush3 wrote:
The two ingredients that make a neutral are exactly opposite. With this information although you get no immediate information, if you mix this with other information you can determine what the make up of that ingredient is.

Il write a full guide later when on a laptop (rather than phone) for you if no one else does beforehand.


I need to read fully through this thread, but my question (which the manual hasn't clearly answered, or even the bit above) is:

When we say the two ingredients are exact opposites, do we mean in sign or both sign and size? Is size factored in at all in this determination?
 
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Anarchosyn wrote:
Ambush3 wrote:
The two ingredients that make a neutral are exactly opposite. With this information although you get no immediate information, if you mix this with other information you can determine what the make up of that ingredient is.

Il write a full guide later when on a laptop (rather than phone) for you if no one else does beforehand.


I need to read fully through this thread, but my question (which the manual hasn't clearly answered, or even the bit above) is:

When we say the two ingredients are exact opposites, do we mean in sign or both sign and size? Is size factored in at all in this determination?


They are exact opposites in sign, and exact matches in size.

If you look at the alchemicals, for each combination of sign and colour, there's one alchemical with that as it's sole big aspect (and +++ and --- which are both all big) and the small aspects of an opposite pair are also opposite - so, for example, the big red plus and big red minus alchemicals make soup.
 
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