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Not that it matters or changes the game in any way, but I am wondering about the title.

I know that the phrase 'Pax' has been used for a long time, beginning with 'Pax Romana' and later 'Pax Britannica' (both of them games), but I wonder whether the title of this game should be 'Paz Porfiriana' (how it would be correctly rendered in Spanish) instead of 'Pax Porfiriana'.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porfirio_D%C3%ADaz

"Díaz is a controversial figure in Mexican history, with the status of villain among the revolutionaries who overthrew him, and something of a hero of capitalism in the business community. The Porfiriato was marked by significant internal stability (known as the "paz porfiriana"), modernization and national economic growth. This was in part due to heavy investment in mining and railways from American and British business..."
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This is the first thing my Mexican-American mother said upon my telling her about the game.
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Interesting post.
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David Ells wrote:
I know that the phrase 'Pax' has been used for a long time, beginning with 'Pax Romana' and later 'Pax Britannica' (both of them games)...

Just to be clear about this - the terms 'Pax Romana' and 'Pax Britannica' didn't originate from the titles of those respective games. Pax Romana was coined some 2000 years ago, and spawned numerous subsequent 'Pax ---a' terms intended to evoke the same concept. I take your point that in Spanish it would be rendered differently, but I think the intention and history of the term is lost if it doesn't follow the (Latin) 'Pax ---a' formula. As another example, by your logic the term 'Pax Mongolica' would need to be replaced with something involving the Mongolian word for peace.

For some info on this (and lots more examples), start here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pax
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pax_Romana
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_periods_of_regional_pea...

Oh and now you've made me want to go back and rewatch the episode of The Sopranos entitled 'Pax Soprana'...
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earlyworm wrote:
David Ells wrote:
I know that the phrase 'Pax' has been used for a long time, beginning with 'Pax Romana' and later 'Pax Britannica' (both of them games)...

Just to be clear about this - the terms 'Pax Romana' and 'Pax Britannica' didn't originate from the titles of those respective games. Pax Romana was coined some 2000 years ago, and spawned numerous subsequent 'Pax ---a' terms intended to evoke the same concept. I take your point that in Spanish it would be rendered differently, but I think the intention and history of the term is lost if it doesn't follow the (Latin) 'Pax ---a' formula. As another example, by your logic the term 'Pax Mongolica' would need to be replaced with something involving the Mongolian word for peace.

For some info on this (and lots more examples), start here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pax
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pax_Romana
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_periods_of_regional_pea...

Oh and now you've made me want to go back and rewatch the episode of The Sopranos entitled 'Pax Soprana'...


Of course, that's what I meant to say. The games both took their titles from these historical periods (as does Pax Pamir), and that is what I was referring to.
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earlyworm wrote:
David Ells wrote:
I know that the phrase 'Pax' has been used for a long time, beginning with 'Pax Romana' and later 'Pax Britannica' (both of them games)...

Just to be clear about this - the terms 'Pax Romana' and 'Pax Britannica' didn't originate from the titles of those respective games. Pax Romana was coined some 2000 years ago, and spawned numerous subsequent 'Pax ---a' terms intended to evoke the same concept. I take your point that in Spanish it would be rendered differently, but I think the intention and history of the term is lost if it doesn't follow the (Latin) 'Pax ---a' formula. As another example, by your logic the term 'Pax Mongolica' would need to be replaced with something involving the Mongolian word for peace.

For some info on this (and lots more examples), start here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pax
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pax_Romana
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_periods_of_regional_pea...

Oh and now you've made me want to go back and rewatch the episode of The Sopranos entitled 'Pax Soprana'...


No, that's slightly different. The pax mongolica was called the pax mongolica after the fact by historians. The Paz Porfiriana was called the Paz Porfiriana in situ. It's just a thing to think about.
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One is in Spanish, the other in Latin. With the long history of using the Latin term it makes perfect sense to me.
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David Ells wrote:
The games both took their titles from these historical periods (as does Pax Pamir), and that is what I was referring to.

I had always thought that the name of Pax Pamir was entirely a take on the name of the earlier game.

While the later game is based on events in the Pamir Mountains, I was not aware that the name "Pax Pamir" (or something like it) has been used by historians to refer to the period. (I am more used to "the great game.")
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No, that's slightly different. The pax mongolica was called the pax mongolica after the fact by historians. The Paz Porfiriana was called the Paz Porfiriana in situ. It's just a thing to think about.

Thanks for that. I didn't realize that "Paz Porfiriana" was a term that was in use before this game. Now this thread makes more sense to me. A Google search for each one shows Paz has about twice as many results:

Paz Porfiriana 38,100
Pax Porfiriana 20,400
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