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matt tomik
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So, I've been playing Splendor at lunch with two groups of co-workers. The group I usually play with alternates who goes first since we play so often. The other group, however, insists on a very literal reading of the rules and every single game we've played has the same player go first.

While typically I'm a stickler for following the rules, I think this should be an exception.
 
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Talk to your group. Its not like the gem police will haul you away if you let a different player start.
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I treat any "xxx goes first" rule as just a guideline. We usually use the finger game to decide who goes first. (The finger game: Each player reveals some number of fingers, add them up, count that many people around in a circle, and whoever you land on goes first).
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bootlucky wrote:
So, I've been playing Splendor at lunch with two groups of co-workers. The group I usually play with alternates who goes first since we play so often. The other group, however, insists on a very literal reading of the rules and every single game we've played has the same player go first.

While typically I'm a stickler for following the rules, I think this should be an exception.

This is possibly the first time I recall ever hearing anyone take those silly "first player" rules seriously. I think most people understand them to be silly flavor text which really means "Pick a first player by any mutually agreeable means, or randomly."

I almost wonder if you are pulling our leg... or if the other group is pulling your leg!
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I wish this were a joke. Alas, it is not. I think it as silly as the rest of responses do.
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bootlucky wrote:
So, I've been playing Splendor at lunch with two groups of co-workers. The group I usually play with alternates who goes first since we play so often. The other group, however, insists on a very literal reading of the rules and every single game we've played has the same player go first.

While typically I'm a stickler for following the rules, I think this should be an exception.


1) Claim that you are the youngest at heart. Since the rules don't say youngest chronologically, you're golden.

2) Claim that you were born on February 29th and consequently, you have celebrated the least birthdays - therefore you are the youngest.

3) Claim that your opponent's documents used to prove age are forged and therefore, by default, you are the youngest.

4) Find three opponents younger than you and three older and vary who you play with each game so that you will alternate being first, second, third, and fourth.

5) Flip the table in rage if your opponents don't play the way you like.
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bootlucky wrote:
I wish this were a joke. Alas, it is not. I think it as silly as the rest of responses do.

My new goal in life: Create a game that recommends fisticuffs to determine who goes first, then convince your gaming group to playtest.
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russ wrote:
bootlucky wrote:
So, I've been playing Splendor at lunch with two groups of co-workers. The group I usually play with alternates who goes first since we play so often. The other group, however, insists on a very literal reading of the rules and every single game we've played has the same player go first.

While typically I'm a stickler for following the rules, I think this should be an exception.

This is possibly the first time I recall ever hearing anyone take those silly "first player" rules seriously. I think most people understand them to be silly flavor text which really means "Pick a first player by any mutually agreeable means, or randomly."

I almost wonder if you are pulling our leg... or if the other group is pulling your leg!


I always treat the first player rules as flavour, except when it says youngest/oldest player goes first, because that usually implies some subtle advantage/disadvantage to being the first player. But even then, we only tend to obey such a rule for the first game or two, unless the advantage or disadvantage is absolutely clear and significant.

Edit: and for the avoidance of doubt, we clearly only follow the rule when playing with kids.
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bootlucky wrote:
I wish this were a joke. Alas, it is not. I think it as silly as the rest of responses do.

My new goal in life: Create a game that recommends fisticuffs to determine who goes first, then convince your gaming group to playtest.


Steel cage death match.
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Chwazi is a free, cute little graphical first-player-chooser app for iOS and Android.

Chwazi for iOS
Chwazi for Android
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I wouldn't mind seeing Epic Rap Battles for those who want to go first...

Begin!
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There are a lot of games with silly starting rules.

https://boardgamegeek.com/geeklist/209008/how-choose-startin...

btw I didn't see Splendor listed there.
 
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fambans wrote:
There are a lot of games with silly starting rules.

https://boardgamegeek.com/geeklist/209008/how-choose-startin...

btw I didn't see Splendor listed there.
Alas, "youngest player goes first" is one of the less silly, and unfortunately more common, starting player rules. So I'm not surprised that every game -- or even most games -- that use that rule wouldn't be listed there. But that is a great list.
 
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I like 51st State Master Set first player rule... It is something along the line: "Choose the first player by whatever means you want, because we really dont give a fuck about how you do it".
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Use these rules for the first one or two games, but I'd always ignore them generally after that
 
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Adding to what others say: often when I'm teaching a game, I'll be the one to go first just to provide an example to others.
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wmshub wrote:
(The finger game: Each player reveals some number of fingers, add them up, count that many people around in a circle, and whoever you land on goes first).


Which player do you start counting with?
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ryudoowaru wrote:
Chwazi is a free, cute little graphical first-player-chooser app for iOS and Android.

But his group would think that would be cheating, since the rules specify that the youngest player goes first.

(I wonder what his group would do if there were more than 1 equally young player involved?)
 
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I like the way my wife and I do starting player, it sorta comes from our cribbage playing (lower card deals). We each draw a level 1 card, the player that has the color gem on their card that is closest to the gold gems as they got lined up during setup goes first. Its quick and random, so we like it.
 
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bootlucky wrote:
So, I've been playing Splendor at lunch with two groups of co-workers. The group I usually play with alternates who goes first since we play so often. The other group, however, insists on a very literal reading of the rules and every single game we've played has the same player go first.

While typically I'm a stickler for following the rules, I think this should be an exception.


The Splendor rules explicitly say "youngest player". I would not chance it.
 
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russ wrote:
This is possibly the first time I recall ever hearing anyone take those silly "first player" rules seriously. I think most people understand them to be silly flavor text which really means "Pick a first player by any mutually agreeable means, or randomly."


You and I know it is a silly "first player" rule and a tradition among Euros. But as the Euros go mainstream, this fact might be lost on players joining the hobby. And the literal rules sticklers would be correct.

I think it is time that this tradition comes to an end. It seems like there are other places you can make jokes... outside of the rules. And in the case where it is "youngest player go first", they should recommend that for the first few games.
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wmshub wrote:
My new goal in life: Create a game that recommends fisticuffs to determine who goes first, then convince your gaming group to playtest.

Too late?
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thanks for all the responses. I'm hoping to use this thread to shame them.
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This is one of the players in question. Matt (bootlucky) shared this link with us in hopes of "shaming" us into submission. After reading all the comments I felt that much more compelled to stick with the formal rules if for no other reason then because it so clearly bugs him to no end. However, he offered to stop eating baby carrots while we played, which drives me fucking crazy, so I've officially changed my vote to switching the first player. I believe our youngest player is still holding firm but he may be overruled now.
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Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
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