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Garfield Cat
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Hi

Is it allowed to say the other what you have seen if you inspected a treasure card?

Yesterday I played the first time and some other players said "no, it's not allowed". But if I say "here's the treasure" no one could 100% believe me, because they don't know my role. So in my opinion it's much more entertaining if you can say anything you want. For example "I'm a dwarf and I know the treasure is under this card".
 
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Nick Case
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Oh the Saboteur police take a very dim view of that kind of behaviour. Indulge in any sort of table talk like this and a SWAT team will be lobbing stun grenades through the skylight faster than you can say 'Just kidding'.

Cue the 'If it doesn't say you can in the rules' vs the 'But it doesn't say you can't' debate. Like you say, up to game end there is nothing to say whether you are bluffing or not although tactically if you did do this first and someone checked the same card after you, it might declare your side to them. So on balance I tend to keep quiet, but certainly not because 'it's forbidden'.
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Nico Robbemont
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Talking forbidden? Seriously?

The table talk about "saboteur moves" and treasure cards is what makes this game shine.
It would be very boring without it.
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Désirée Greverud
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I dont have the rules in front of me, but I do believe talking (and perhaps lying) about revealed gold was explicitly allowed and even encouraged. What's not allowed is to actually show your role card or revealed treasure to anyone else. You can talk and others can believe you or not.
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Frederic Moyersoen
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DragonsDream wrote:
I dont have the rules in front of me, but I do believe talking (and perhaps lying) about revealed gold was explicitly allowed and even encouraged.


In fact, the rules don't mention anything about it. So, it's allowed. Nevertheless, I think that it's funnier when players don't share secret info, like the position of the gold.

DragonsDream wrote:

What's not allowed is to actually show your role card or revealed treasure to anyone else. You can talk and others can believe you or not.


Absolutely correct!
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Garfield Cat
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That's also my opinion. In all these "saboteur/spy" games it's much more fun if you talk about your possible role etc.
 
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It's a hidden role game. Unless someone views another role card, it's all hear-say. Go for it! I ALWAYS ask what the brown card was, they never tell me though, heh. It's good to try to figure out who your teammates are before the end of game.
 
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If you say there's gold, the saboteurs can try to block the route to that card. If you say there's gold, you may be a saboteur trying to trick you building a route to that card, wasting cards and actions.

If you say there's no gold, the saboteurs can try to block the other cards. If you say there's no gold, you may be a saboteur that saw gold in that card.

As long as you don't show hidden information, you can decide to say something or decide to not say anything.
 
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It's totally allowed. It's actually the reason why my group thinks the map card is almost useless. In one of our first games, two others all checked different goal cards and didn't find a treasure. I (a Saboteur) checked the last one and went, "Huh. One of you two is a Saboteur." It caused so much havoc. Hilarious.
From now all, every treasure card are now checked at least twice
 
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A suggestion:

Before starting a round, you can discard 3 map cards. In this way there are fewer opportunities to check the location of the Gold. It might increase the bluffing element in the game.
 
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Frederic Moyersoen wrote:
A suggestion:

Before starting a round, you can discard 3 map cards. In this way there are fewer opportunities to check the location of the Gold. It might increase the bluffing element in the game.


...and increase the guess work needed to find the gold.
 
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