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Justin Dugger

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I was looking for an efficient way to get enough marking stones, as game shops tend to mark them up crazy high. It seems like mosaics suppliers are the cheapest way to acquire them. While browsing one such store, I ran across flat mosiac tiles as a possible option.

Pros:
- Small
- stackable -- easier to pack, can maybe be used in more ways

Cons:
- maybe sharp?
- harder to see at a glance?
- brittle?
- sticky backed?

Anyone have experience with mosaics to warn me away from the idea?
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Re: Mosaic tiles as altenrative marking stones?
I've got no idea about mosaic tiles, but I've enjoyed using Go stones as markers, and would highly recommend that.
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Re: Mosaic tiles as altenrative marking stones?
Try looking for "decorator marbles" at craft stores. Much cheaper there.
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Re: Mosaic tiles as altenrative marking stones?
I can get about 50-60 stones of a given color for $2.50 from mosaic art supply; finding them cheap is not difficult. But I could also go for something like https://mosaicartsupply.com/shop/12mm-elementile-glass-mosai... which comes with more than I could possibly need, but would be more compact.

Basically I'm curious about the risk of cuts etc using small mosaic tiles for unintended purposes.
 
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Re: Mosaic tiles as altenrative marking stones?
FWIW (a meta-solution) the cheapest and most compact marking stones are non-existent stones. We always play with a "yes" half of the table and a "no" half of the table, simply moving the koans to the appropriate side to show which ones have the Buddha nature and which ones don't.
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Re: Mosaic tiles as altenrative marking stones?
I'd be concerned about the sharp edges and corners of the mosaic tiles, especially when using them in their role as "guessing stones": when somebody goes Mondo, the players all have to hold out a stone in their clenched fist, and then reveal (like when going high/low in poker) their guesses all at once. Clenching a mosaic tile might be uncomfortable.

Like at least one other respondent, I recommend the "flattened marble" glass beads from the craft store. A couple of dozen each (white, black, and green) won't be too expensive, and it ought to be plenty: the boxed set comes with twenty of each, and I've never run out.
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Re: Mosaic tiles as altenrative marking stones?
In particular, I'm thinking about Elementiles: https://mosaicartsupply.com/shop/12mm-elementile-glass-mosai...

They look pretty roundish. But I'm not a mosaic artist, or even know where to find one. So maybe I'm missing something.

As far as quantity, almost all of the plays I've made have been in large groups (7-10ish), using more than four colors. Not all players are great at producing useful koans, so if a rule is slanted in a particular direction, it can run out faster than one might imagine.
 
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Re: Mosaic tiles as altenrative marking stones?
pwnguin wrote:
While browsing one such store, I ran across flat mosiac tiles as a possible option.

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Anyone have experience with mosaics to warn me away from the idea?


The mosaic tiles I have seen would work just fine, for a while. They have just enough rounding on the edges and corners to be safe for handling. But the thickness is only about 3 mm or 1/8 inch so they would not be as robust as a Go stone or a decorator's flattened marble. A broken mosaic tile would have sharp edges and corners.

Glass is heavy enough that some people might not want to lug around 60+ pieces of it, especially if they are also toting a fair amount of other gaming equipment. I happen to like the heft, but if that idea puts you off, then maybe acrylic cubes, mini poker chips, or other plastic bits might be more to your liking.
 
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Re: Mosaic tiles as altenrative marking stones?
We just use M&Ms in a pinch. Cheap, colorful, and dessert's already taken care of.
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Re: Mosaic tiles as altenrative marking stones?
Went ahead and bought the tiles I was looking at. They fit very well in my .07L Really Useful Boxes. Photos for illustration:
http://pwnguin.net/albums/photologue/photo/zendo-stone-compa...
http://pwnguin.net/albums/photologue/photo/zendo-stones/

It turns out the minimum order comes with about 180 of each color, so it makes about 4 kits =). I'm gifting one to the person that introduced me to Zendo, not sure yet what I'll do with the rest.
 
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Re: Mosaic tiles as altenrative marking stones?
pwnguin wrote:
Went ahead and bought the tiles I was looking at. They fit very well in my .07L Really Useful Boxes. Photos for illustration:
http://pwnguin.net/albums/photologue/photo/zendo-stone-compa...
http://pwnguin.net/albums/photologue/photo/zendo-stones/

If you are willing, I recommend putting such photos into your personal gallery here at BGG https://boardgamegeek.com/images/user/541183/pwnguin because the forums are full of threads with old broken off-site photo links and comments or entire threads with holes where interesting useful images used to be.

Everyone always says "Oh, but I know these external image links will remain valid forever", yet history shows otherwise... :/
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Re: Mosaic tiles as altenrative marking stones?
I own and operate pwnguin.net, so I feel comfortable with the offsite link.
 
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Re: Mosaic tiles as altenrative marking stones?
russ wrote:
Everyone always says "Oh, but I know these external image links will remain valid forever", yet history shows otherwise... :/
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Re: Mosaic tiles as altenrative marking stones?
Just buy a copy of Othello/Reversi. 64 double-sided pieces for well under $20. They make excellent marking stones, especially because you don't have to worry about having too many or too few of one color! (Well, unless you want to have more than 64 Koans out at a time, in which case I'd be very worried...)
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I've been using the translucent plastic cubes available in the BGG store as markers. Green and red for yes/no. Any other color for guessing.

http://boardgamegeekstore.com/products/translucent-plastic-c...
 
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jeffwolfe wrote:
russ wrote:
Everyone always says "Oh, but I know these external image links will remain valid forever", yet history shows otherwise... :/


Then, for posterity's sake I have uploaded an action shot of the stones in use from this Friday:

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HexNash wrote:
Just buy a copy of Othello/Reversi. 64 double-sided pieces for well under $20. They make excellent marking stones, especially because you don't have to worry about having too many or too few of one color! (Well, unless you want to have more than 64 Koans out at a time, in which case I'd be very worried...)


I use an altoid's mint tin of travel othello pieces from the thrift store. Light, small, cheap, and about the right scale to see them easily


I give everyone a regular size othello pieces to use in voting.
 
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hippiephysicschick wrote:
HexNash wrote:
Just buy a copy of Othello/Reversi. 64 double-sided pieces for well under $20. They make excellent marking stones, especially because you don't have to worry about having too many or too few of one color! (Well, unless you want to have more than 64 Koans out at a time, in which case I'd be very worried...)


I use an altoid's mint tin of travel othello pieces from the thrift store. Light, small, cheap, and about the right scale to see them easily


I give everyone a regular size othello pieces to use in voting.

I've never been able to find Travel Othello at the thrift store.
 
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Since we're talking price, the grand total for this was 18 bucks, and most of that was shipping. That's the minimum order size and came with enough for 3 or 4 sets of stones. I've already gifted one away, plan to gift another at some point, and might try using the 4th as a trade sweetener.
 
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