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Khang Wey Cham
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Hi,
I am a bit confuse with the Festival bidding mechanism.
Can somebody explain more to me?

Look at this situation (assuming all players have one developer in the city):
4 players in a game, A, B, C, and D. A is starting Festival. He can play one or more cards? Correct?
A plays one card matching one symbol, he has 1 bid. B next to A play one card, also 1 bid. C decides not to join the Festival. D then play card also contain 1 bid.
A's turn again. Before he play his card, he can ask to share the points before he plays a card. Correct?
So how A will be asking? One by one following clockwise order? If B want to share the points but D doesn't want to, who is next to play a card?

 
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kwcham wrote:
Hi,
I am a bit confuse with the Festival bidding mechanism.
Can somebody explain more to me?

Look at this situation (assuming all players have one developer in the city):

kwcham wrote:
4 players in a game, A, B, C, and D. A is starting Festival. He can play one or more cards? Correct?
Correct
kwcham wrote:
A plays one card matching one symbol, he has 1 bid. B next to A play one card, also 1 bid. C decides not to join the Festival. D then play card also contain 1 bid.
A's turn again. Before he play his card, he can ask to share the points before he plays a card. Correct?
Correct
kwcham wrote:
So how A will be asking? One by one following clockwise order?
Order of asking really doesn't matter, but clockwise around the table works fine.

kwcham wrote:
If B want to share the points but D doesn't want to, who is next to play a card?
D has to play a card, because D did not want to share. Then A would get a chance to match or exceed the bid, and so on. Rules on page 9 under Festival Competition, middle column state, "Any player who does not want to share may now play one or more suitable palace cards to raise his bid. The bidding then continues with the player to that player's left."
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Per the Rule Book:

"Any player who does not want to share may now play one or more suitable cards to raise his bid. The bidding then continues with the player to that player's left, until:

- a tie is again reached and all the participating players agree to share the fame points (see below), or

- only a single player remains. This player wins the festival....

If the participating players are tied and have no suitable cards to play, they will automatically share the fame points of the festival."

 
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As I see it you don't need to literally ask your opponents if they want to share- you can just pass and it has the same effect. The auction ends when all players pass regardless; if players are tied for the lead they share.
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So if A asks if anyone wants to share, B agrees but D refuses. D has to play a card. But B does not need to play card(s)? Isn't it unfair to him that he skips a turn to increase the bid?
 
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kwcham wrote:
So if A asks if anyone wants to share, B agrees but D refuses. D has to play a card. But B does not need to play card(s)? Isn't it unfair to him that he skips a turn to increase the bid?
Player A bids 1.
Player B bids 1.
Player C passes.
Player D bids 1.
Player A asks if it is ok to share.
Player D says no, and bids 2 by playing another card.
Player A must now bid at least 2 to stay in.
Player B must now bid at least 2 to stay in.

If both Player A and Player B pass, Player D takes all points for the festival.

If either Player A or Player B bids 2, then you would ask again if it is ok to share, and continue from there.

So to answer your question, does player B need to play cards? Yes if he wants to stay in and score points. So does player A.
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verandi wrote:

As I see it you don't need to literally ask your opponents if they want to share- you can just pass and it has the same effect. The auction ends when all players pass regardless; if players are tied for the lead they share.
That is not how it works at all.

If A, B, and D all have bid 1, and then A asks if they want to share, and D says no, and plays a card, then A can still play a card to stay in it. Perhaps A didn't want to have to play another card for this festival and had plans to save a card for another festival in a later turn.

The way you're suggesting it would work would be A, B, D have all bid 1, and player A passes, and B passes, then what happens if D plays another card? D takes it alone. You have to ask if it is ok to share once everyone has bid and there is a tie in the bids, otherwise you can't know if someone is going to want to play another card to try to take all the points or not.
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Murr wrote:
kwcham wrote:
So if A asks if anyone wants to share, B agrees but D refuses. D has to play a card. But B does not need to play card(s)? Isn't it unfair to him that he skips a turn to increase the bid?
Player A bids 1.
Player B bids 1.
Player C passes.
Player D bids 1.
Player A asks if it is ok to share.
Player B agrees and didn't play any cards.
Player D says no, and bids 2 by playing another card.
Player A must now bid at least 2 to stay in.
Player B must now bid at least 2 to stay in.


To clarify more, I added some lines on your example. So B in the bold line doesn't need to play card(s)? So B skips a turn to bid?

 
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kwcham wrote:
Murr wrote:
kwcham wrote:
So if A asks if anyone wants to share, B agrees but D refuses. D has to play a card. But B does not need to play card(s)? Isn't it unfair to him that he skips a turn to increase the bid?
Player A bids 1.
Player B bids 1.
Player C passes.
Player D bids 1.
Player A asks if it is ok to share.
Player B agrees and didn't play any cards.
Player D says no, and bids 2 by playing another card.
Player A must now bid at least 2 to stay in.
Player B must now bid at least 2 to stay in.


To clarify more, I added some lines on your example. So B in the bold line doesn't need to play card(s)? So B skips a turn to bid?


Yes, and when D plays a card, A and B would need to now play another card to increase their bids to match or exceed D's if they still want to get points from the festival.
 
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Murr wrote:

The way you're suggesting it would work would be A, B, D have all bid 1, and player A passes, and B passes, then what happens if D plays another card? D takes it alone. You have to ask if it is ok to share once everyone has bid and there is a tie in the bids, otherwise you can't know if someone is going to want to play another card to try to take all the points or not.

Of course that's not how we play it- we would allow A and B to get back into the auction. BUT reading the rules closely they do say that once you pass you are out of the auction. I think a more elegant solution would have been to allow a soft pass if you are tied for the lead, which is effectively what we do.
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verandi wrote:
Murr wrote:

The way you're suggesting it would work would be A, B, D have all bid 1, and player A passes, and B passes, then what happens if D plays another card? D takes it alone. You have to ask if it is ok to share once everyone has bid and there is a tie in the bids, otherwise you can't know if someone is going to want to play another card to try to take all the points or not.

Of course that's not how we play it- we would allow A and B to get back into the auction. BUT reading the rules closely they do say that once you pass you are out of the auction. I think a more elegant solution would have been to allow a soft pass if you are tied for the lead, which is effectively what we do.
That's pretty much what is being done, but instead of calling it a "soft pass" it's called "asking to share" if someone says "No" then the bidding continues with those who have not actually passed
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