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http://fusion.net/story/321329/knightscope-security-robot-ub...


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That is really neat.

I will have some schadenfreude for the first person who steals a security bot and doesn't understand that it invariably has a GPS tracker in it.

It does make me wonder who is liable if a vehicle collides with the robot, but there should be footage, so that's handy too. Obviously this has implications in the future -- what happens when a self-driving car collides with an autonomous robot? Are programmers going to be expert witnesses soon?
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Wow, seriously $7 an hour for a robo-guard?
 
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Wow, seriously $7 an hour for a robo-guard?


I had the same thought! Why does it cost anything?

They must be renting it out from another company or something.


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Wow, seriously $7 an hour for a robo-guard?


I had the same thought! Why does it cost anything?

They must be renting it out from another company or something.


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Wow, seriously $7 an hour for a robo-guard?


I had the same thought! Why does it cost anything?

They must be renting it out from another company or something.

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Yeah, if you finish reading the article, you'll see that they're renting the bot from an external company.
 
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Ferretman wrote:
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Wow, seriously $7 an hour for a robo-guard?


I had the same thought! Why does it cost anything?

They must be renting it out from another company or something.

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Yeah, if you finish reading the article, you'll see that they're renting the bot from an external company.


I did indeed....on my computer there's a big honking ad clipping off the bottom couple of paragraphs, but if I WAIT for it to finish loading I eventually get the whole thing.


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Is that what those things are? I saw one in Palo Alto the other day and the thing seemed to be the local selfie magnet. I wonder if they have a life feed back to the home office and they can remote control it.
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How long before someone chucks it into the back of a van and sells it for parts.
 
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I'll bet their robo-gaurd isn't going to be all that useful, but based on all the horror stories I've heard from people who regularly have to hire security guards for events, I doubt its any worse than a real person.
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Is that what those things are? I saw one in Palo Alto the other day and the thing seemed to be the local selfie magnet. I wonder if they have a life feed back to the home office and they can remote control it.


Oh cool, you've seen others of these around? Did it look like the one in the pic?

I wonder if they can be color-coordinated with whatever the schema is of the company renting them? I guess they probably could ("for a small additional fee").


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draxx01 wrote:
Is that what those things are? I saw one in Palo Alto the other day and the thing seemed to be the local selfie magnet. I wonder if they have a life feed back to the home office and they can remote control it.


Oh cool, you've seen others of these around? Did it look like the one in the pic?

I wonder if they can be color-coordinated with whatever the schema is of the company renting them? I guess they probably could ("for a small additional fee").


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How long before someone chucks it into the back of a van and sells it for parts.


Per above, the thing is almost invariably lojacked.
 
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Is that what those things are? I saw one in Palo Alto the other day and the thing seemed to be the local selfie magnet. I wonder if they have a life feed back to the home office and they can remote control it.


I do wonder. That would increase the production costs considerably, so I somewhat doubt it.

I can't control my Roomba directly, and if I wanted a model that I could, it would need to add wifi capability, along with allowing for manual inputs rather than automatic ones.

It would occasionally be a useful feature, but I doubt it's in this version. (I'd be very interested to find out that I'm wrong here!)
 
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Wow, seriously $7 an hour for a robo-guard?


That might be fair market value, realistically... but yeah probably not. Once competition/mass production exists, I'd (fairly naively) assume one of these would top out in production costs of $10k or so, and at $168/day, well, that's 60 days before you hit $10k.

Seems like the company renting these out is going to do a tidy business until competitors arrive!
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How long before someone chucks it into the back of a van and sells it for parts.


Per above, the thing is almost invariably lojacked.


First thing you do is wrap the security bot in a wet towel. Second thing...

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Why does it need a separate camera for plate recognition, I wonder?

It appears that it can't see above itself. Hmmm...

And finally, it appears to be entirely vulnerable to simply dropping a towel over the thing...
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Why does it need a separate camera for plate recognition, I wonder?

It appears that it can't see above itself. Hmmm...

And finally, it appears to be entirely vulnerable to simply dropping a towel over the thing...


License plates have a large amount of retroreflective materials in them that can dazzle a camera w/ contrast if it's hit at different angles.

Umm, sort of like how road signs are designed to reflect your headlights back at you more directly than a general flat surface.

If you're interested I can provide some more info. But in general, the secondary camera for the license plates probably has different specs re: luminance than the other one.

Additionally, there are potentially regulations for cameras that are used to capture license plates in order to deliver fines.
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So $7/hour works out to $61k/year. For a robot that works 24/7/365. Never gets tired, never sleeps on shift, if it ever gets sick (breaks down) they'll show up with a spare and take that one to be fixed inside a few hours. It looks like it's steel, so good luck damaging it.

This is why complaining that raising the minimum wage drives away jobs is pointless. You'd need a minimum of 4 people to cover the lot 165 hours a week and you'd need to pay them $15k to be cheaper, and they'd probably be a lot less effective. Automation will take the job regardless of how much we lower the wage.


I think it's somewhat reasonable to argue that even though in the past the minimum wage raises have not had deleterious effects, given our current positioning with automation a minimum wage increase might result in increased unemployment (or more meaningfully, a lower workforce participation rate.)

I have no idea if the above is true, mind you, but it's a good argument for why blindly saying "Well minimum wage increases worked before!" should be taken with a grain of salt. (End goal is ending inequality; hopefully, only the method differs.)
 
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So $7/hour works out to $61k/year. For a robot that works 24/7/365. Never gets tired, never sleeps on shift, if it ever gets sick (breaks down) they'll show up with a spare and take that one to be fixed inside a few hours. It looks like it's steel, so good luck damaging it.

This is why complaining that raising the minimum wage drives away jobs is pointless. You'd need a minimum of 4 people to cover the lot 165 hours a week and you'd need to pay them $15k to be cheaper, and they'd probably be a lot less effective. Automation will take the job regardless of how much we lower the wage.


I think it's somewhat reasonable to argue that even though in the past the minimum wage raises have not had deleterious effects, given our current positioning with automation a minimum wage increase might result in increased unemployment (or more meaningfully, a lower workforce participation rate.)

I have no idea if the above is true, mind you, but it's a good argument for why blindly saying "Well minimum wage increases worked before!" should be taken with a grain of salt. (End goal is ending inequality; hopefully, only the method differs.)


I don't think it changes the amount of eventual unemployment.

It only changes how quickly it arrives. Keep in mind chinese robots are laying off people making $2400 a year or less.

The $7 an hour is probably highly profitable for the renting company. Somewhere above a 20% annual return on investment with a very good chance of over 33% annual return on investment.
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Ferretman wrote:
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Is that what those things are? I saw one in Palo Alto the other day and the thing seemed to be the local selfie magnet. I wonder if they have a life feed back to the home office and they can remote control it.


Oh cool, you've seen others of these around? Did it look like the one in the pic?

I wonder if they can be color-coordinated with whatever the schema is of the company renting them? I guess they probably could ("for a small additional fee").


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And all the out of work security guards can get jobs as Robot technicians, I'm sure there is a one-for-one swap there.

I wonder if Unions will start a clandestine sabotage campaign. Are robots scabs?

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So $7/hour works out to $61k/year. For a robot that works 24/7/365.


For 24/7. Comparing it to a standard human salary, it's $15k/year (* the standard 2080).
 
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Is that what those things are? I saw one in Palo Alto the other day and the thing seemed to be the local selfie magnet. I wonder if they have a life feed back to the home office and they can remote control it.


Oh cool, you've seen others of these around? Did it look like the one in the pic?

I wonder if they can be color-coordinated with whatever the schema is of the company renting them? I guess they probably could ("for a small additional fee").


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