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I just noticed this recently playing Ticket to Ride with my girlfriend over a few games last night. She beat me every time. When I first got into the hobby I was pretty good at the game but now I'm pretty bad. I noticed this with a few other light gateway games...

Does the complexity of more hobbyist games make it harder for you to play simple games or is it just me?
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It's funny you mention Ticket to Ride specifically. My wife beats me every time we play it now, and I thought I was pretty good at it. I definitely feel like I've lost my edge in gateway games. I'm starting to wonder if I'm only "good" at more complex games compared to my friends because I've played the game more than they have. In the end, just happy to have friends/family willing to play board games with.
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my wife kicks my ass nonstop in TTR.

protip - get a stronger ass.
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Being a genius in Chess doesn't mean that you will be equally successful in Go. Or with Ticket to Ride.
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I can do very well in Catan or Ticket, but it will pain me greatly.
 
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One of the things that makes a gateway game is the "everyone can win" mechanisms that will give everyone a shot. I can't even imagine how one can be too "bad at them" because they are built to keep players competitive.

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My wife plays Ticket to Ride on the iPad...I swear she has racked up 1000 plays, and can beat the AI 100% of the time. She's pretty good in general. Of course that's with AI's and casual players, she cleans house.

BUT when she plays me.

Me: *places lone track out in the middle of nowhere*

Wife: "Why did you do that, it doesn't help you at all!? That only fucks my tickets up!"

Me: "I know"

The key to simple high-luck games is not to play the simple game..It's to play the deviousness you learned about the game.

Anyone have wheat?
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It's probably not just you. I suck at all games, though.
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Maybe the reason you lose a lot at TtR is because you think of it as a gateway game. When the same people consistently win at convention tournaments, it's safe to assume that there's a lot more than luck involved. My personal take on TtR is it's one of the heavier games in my collection. Sure, you can teach the rules in a few minutes. But paying attention to who's collecting what cards and what track they're laying makes a huge difference. The person who knows the tickets best has got a big advantage... and that comes from repeated plays and paying attention. Add in the additional complexity in the PA or Team Asia maps and my brain works harder for more time at TtR (though much of it is during other people's turns)than I do at Terra Mystica or Agricola.
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Interesting question!

I fair in gateway games as I always do: middle of the pack.

Perhaps you care less about the game than when you started the hobby so you just aren't as committed to winning?
 
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Butterfly0038 wrote:
Maybe the reason you lose a lot at TtR is because you think of it as a gateway game. When the same people consistently win at convention tournaments, it's safe to assume that there's a lot more than luck involved. My personal take on TtR is it's one of the heavier games in my collection. Sure, you can teach the rules in a few minutes. But paying attention to who's collecting what cards and what track they're laying makes a huge difference. The person who knows the tickets best has got a big advantage... and that comes from repeated plays and paying attention. Add in the additional complexity in the PA or Team Asia maps and my brain works harder for more time at TtR (though much of it is during other people's turns)than I do at Terra Mystica or Agricola.


Whoa... That's intense and correct.



P.S. When playing my girlfriend I tend to know what here tickets are but if I block her... Well my couch just isn't as comfortable as my bed.
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I'm not reading this into the OP at all, but from a lot of other discussions I get the impression that a fair number of boardgamers believe the weight of games they like correlates with some kind of "gaming IQ," and chalk up losing lighter games to a combination of luck, opponents' rote memorization, and difficulty in changing gears from the intellectually superior activity of minmaxing.

Besides, the OP's significant other wants to game with him, which is the best thing that can happen to a gamer. If I were him I wouldn't worry about who's winning what more.
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nathairday wrote:
I just noticed this recently playing Ticket to Ride with my girlfriend over a few games last night. She beat me every time. When I first got into the hobby I was pretty good at the game but now I'm pretty bad. I noticed this with a few other light gateway games...

Does the complexity of more hobbyist games make it harder for you to play simple games or is it just me?


Am I bad at Gateway Games? No but my win percentage is most likely relavent to those I play them with.

As for TtR, my wife has beaten me far more often than not and my couch is awful to sleep on!
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I find I'm good a 'gateway' games. After playing such a game once or twice I win much more often than the others on subsequent plays. I try to play for fun...
 
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MWChapel wrote:
My wife plays Ticket to Ride on the iPad...I swear she has racked up 1000 plays, and can beat the AI 100% of the time. She's pretty good in general. Of course that's with AI's and casual players, she cleans house.

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Good against remotes is one thing. Good against the living, that's something else.
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MWChapel wrote:
The key to simple high-luck games is not to play the simple game..It's to play the deviousness you learned about the game.

Anyone have wheat?


In your example, you need to know quite well the tickets to anticipate the path by viewing the first few tracks she used.

Butterfly0038 wrote:
Maybe the reason you lose a lot at TtR is because you think of it as a gateway game.


I know that my will to think about a strategy in a game depends strongly on the game and the lighter I perceive a game the less thinking I invest in it.
 
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Since we've been on TTR so much, I tend to crush souls at it, but I cant win Splendor 2 player to save my live...
 
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I think the issue is assuming that because some people don't play more complex games you should somehow kick their arse at less complex games.

My wife can kick my arse at a lot of the less complex games. Some games just resonant with how some peoples brains seem to work. She won't play more complex games, so I have no idea whether she just tends to be good at games in general or maybe I'm not as good as I think.

I agree with what DB said about the so called gamer IQ above.

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Whether it's as simple as Chutes and Ladders or as complex as Campaign for North Africa I lose far more than I win. My Grandniece has a real mean streak when it come to Chutes and Ladders! angry
 
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