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Watch Live: Sanders to Endorses Clinton at New Hampshire Campaign Event
Bernie Sanders is set to endorse Hillary Clinton Tuesday, ending a contentious presidential primary and solidifying the former secretary of state's hold on the Democratic Party.

More than a month after losing the nomination, Sanders will appear with Clinton at an event in Portsmouth, New Hampshire, a city and state he won by wide margins. Sanders will speak first, followed by Clinton, who has been doing similar double-billings with President Barack Obama, Elizabeth Warren, and Joe Biden in recent days.

But the joint event with Sanders, an unexpectedly fierce challenger who tried to stage a hostile takeover of the Democratic Party, will carry special emotion and significance.

The event will help fuse two wings of the Democratic party together that, despite their real differences, seem to be closer together than their counterparts across the aisle. Many of Trump's primary challengers have yet to endorse him.


http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/bernie-sanders...

May be jumping the gun, but wanted to start the fun early

Donald is starting his Rage Stiffy early calling Sanders a "sell out"

http://www.mediaite.com/online/donald-trump-slams-sell-out-b...

It is just so amusing when a bigoted billionaire takes to calling a Democratic Socialist a "sell out"
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Well at least the Republicans have enough integrity to refuse to support Donny.
 
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I think it should be "stiffies," but that's just the old editor in me.

As for Bernie endorsing Clinton? It's not like this comes out of the blue. Sanders has been talking about joining with Clinton to ensure Trump doesn't become president.

It's sad when even the people running for president are choosing "the lesser of two evils."
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I think it should be "stiffies," but that's just the old editor in me.

As for Bernie endorsing Clinton? It's not like this comes out of the blue. Sanders has been talking about joining with Clinton to ensure Trump doesn't become president.

It's sad when even the people running for president are choosing "the lesser of two evils."
Well it is not as if he can run on the Democratic ticket.

So he either supports Clinton, or by inaction risk a far worse scenario.
 
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I'm calling it Berned Ends. People like it, but it doesn't taste as good as other options.

So, if these individuals were supporters of Sanders but refuse to support the person Sanders endorses, I do have to question who or what they truly believed in to begin with.

And as for Trump and his fall-back tactic of name-calling (still waiting for him to denounce Kim Jong-un as a "great, big poopy-head")...that's only so much sour grapes. Did Trump expect Sanders to endorse the candidate with even less in common between platforms?
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Drew1365 wrote:
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So, if these individuals were supporters of Sanders but refuse to support the person Sanders endorses, I do have to question who or what they truly believed in to begin with.


Huh?

Should Bernie voters dispense with all their principles just because the man they supported dispensed with his?


Well, once you're out of the race, you are left with the remaining choices.

Out of the 3 (Libertarian, Democrat, Republican), which would Bernie endorse as being the closest to his ideals? Yeah, no big surprise there.

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J.L.Robert wrote:


So, if these individuals were supporters of Sanders but refuse to support the person Sanders endorses, I do have to question who or what they truly believed in to begin with.



Maybe they believed in what he said rather than what he (evidently) believes?
i.e. they supported his positions, not the man.
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Many Sanders supporters didn't know what they believed in until Sen. Sanders gave them direction and found them "causes" to champion for. So are we to believe that the good Senator didn't believe in the issues he was campaigning on? In that case, what does that say about how gullible his supporters have been to believe in a man who didn't truly believe in what he was saying?

Sound stupid? Yes, it is. Sen. Sanders does believe in what he campaigned for. And he also realizes that, since he cannot realistically win in November, he is best served by endorsing the politician who, from among the two likely winners, is the most compatible with his beliefs and who may at least make some progress on some of the points of his platform. Perhaps he's seen the light that some headway is better than none at all.

Sanders' supporters really need to look with some clarity...which of the two viable candidates for President is most likely willing to promote more of Sanders' agenda if elected. It's not being a traitor to any cause, it's accepting the reality and taking what's given.
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Kumitedad wrote:
The event will help fuse two wings of the Democratic party together that, despite their real differences


What were their alleged differences ?
 
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Drew1365 wrote:
xuzuthor wrote:
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J.L.Robert wrote:
So, if these individuals were supporters of Sanders but refuse to support the person Sanders endorses, I do have to question who or what they truly believed in to begin with.


Huh?

Should Bernie voters dispense with all their principles just because the man they supported dispensed with his?


Well, once you're out of the race, you are left with the remaining choices.

Out of the 3 (Libertarian, Democrat, Republican), which would Bernie endorse as being the closest to his ideals? Yeah, no big surprise there.



I'm not talking about Bernie. I'm talking about the Bernie supporters. Can you also not see why someone might support Bernie, but not Hillary? Some RSPers seem to think that failure to fall in line and support Hillary suggests they were never really Bernie supporters to begin with.

That's ridiculous.

But it's also the kind of entitled attitude that Hillary is famous for, so it's not too surprising to see it in her supporters.



Of course some may feel that way, and I have nothing against that. Each person has their own choice to make.

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just because the man they supported dispensed with his?
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If that was not meant to mean you were accusing Bernie of dispensing with his values, then you should reword the sentence to not be misleading since that is the only other noun in your sentence that you could be referencing.
 
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jeremycobert wrote:
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The event will help fuse two wings of the Democratic party together that, despite their real differences


What were their alleged differences ?


You are correct in that people who never were going to vote for Democrats were not going to care about the differences. Yay, you.

It just seems so much more minor when you have another primary with people with as drastic differences as Trump vs Rubio vs Cruz.

Sanders had views that hadn't been pressed for by any presidential candidate prior to this as far as I can tell (at least, any candidate that actual got so many votes - I can't speak for fringe candidates that never gained much support to be in the running). That was where his difference was - he was willing to go for hard stances on issues that were considered extreme by many in the middle (or on the right).

If you don't see the difference, it just means you're too far on the other side to see it.
 
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Drew1365 wrote:
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Many Sanders supporters didn't know what they believed in until Sen. Sanders gave them direction and found them "causes" to champion for. So are we to believe that the good Senator didn't believe in the issues he was campaigning on?


That's quite possible. He is a life-long politician after all.

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In that case, what does that say about how gullible his supporters have been to believe in a man who didn't truly believe in what he was saying?


You won't have any trouble convincing me that Sanders supporters are gullible.

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Sound stupid?


Not at all.

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Yes, it is.


No, it's not.


Call Sanders supporters gullible; it's definitely the way to attract them to your cause.
 
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Drew1365 wrote:
xuzuthor wrote:
I was only commenting on
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just because the man they supported dispensed with his?
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If that was not meant to mean you were accusing Bernie of dispensing with his values, then you should reword the sentence to not be misleading since that is the only other noun in your sentence that you could be referencing.


But of course he did. Hillary is the epitome of those people Bernie rails against. She's a rich, greedy one-percenter, bought-and-paid-for creature of Wall Street who has no interest in serving the country -- just herself.

Bernie sold out. Now Hillary's supporters are demanding that Bernie's supporters sell out, too.


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I'm not talking about Bernie. I'm talking about the Bernie supporters.


Glad you realize you made a false statement then, just don't sit there and pretend you didn't say it then. You talked about both of them.

Yeah, you wanted me to focus on your narrative (his supporters), but you talked about both. If you want only one to be talked about, don't shove in jabs about something you don't want to talk about.
 
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Drew1365 wrote:
xuzuthor wrote:
I was only commenting on
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just because the man they supported dispensed with his?
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If that was not meant to mean you were accusing Bernie of dispensing with his values, then you should reword the sentence to not be misleading since that is the only other noun in your sentence that you could be referencing.


But of course he did. Hillary is the epitome of those people Bernie rails against. She's a rich, greedy one-percenter, bought-and-paid-for creature of Wall Street who has no interest in serving the country -- just herself.

Bernie sold out. Now Hillary's supporters are demanding that Bernie's supporters sell out, too.


If Bernie does what you want then the election of Donald Trump becomes more likely. To the majority of folks not blinded by Clinton hatred that would be selling out his principles. Unless you think his principles included helping a mentally unstable lying bigot like Trump become president.

Thats not betraying his principles, that's putting the good of the country above blind hatred. So unless you can make a case that The Donald is somehow better for the country, all you are doing is the usual butt hurt whining from those suffering from Clinton Drangement Syndrome.
 
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xuzuthor wrote:
If you don't see the difference, it just means you're too far on the other side to see it.


You didn't demonstrate any differences, did you mean to do that ?
 
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Drew1365 wrote:
xuzuthor wrote:
Drew1365 wrote:
J.L.Robert wrote:
Many Sanders supporters didn't know what they believed in until Sen. Sanders gave them direction and found them "causes" to champion for. So are we to believe that the good Senator didn't believe in the issues he was campaigning on?


That's quite possible. He is a life-long politician after all.

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In that case, what does that say about how gullible his supporters have been to believe in a man who didn't truly believe in what he was saying?


You won't have any trouble convincing me that Sanders supporters are gullible.

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Sound stupid?


Not at all.

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Yes, it is.


No, it's not.


Call Sanders supporters gullible; it's definitely the way to attract them to your cause.


There's no other way to describe proponents of Socialism except gullible.

By the way, have you been following the news out of Venezuela?


Yes
 
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jeremycobert wrote:
xuzuthor wrote:
If you don't see the difference, it just means you're too far on the other side to see it.


You didn't demonstrate any differences, did you mean to do that ?


Correct, I didn't want to get into specifics on the matter.

There are plenty of articles to read on their differences, and the nuances of those differences would be worded much better than I would.

Google: Clinton Sanders differences

You'll find plenty of articles - just skip down to your preferred site
 
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