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Subject: [OFFICIAL] Bone Chains and Toothpicks | Games4Games, GC-10+, US-50, OLWLG Shipping Math Trade [DISCUSSION] rss

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Bone Chains and Toothpicks
Games4Games, GC-10+, US-50
Shipping Math Trade


Dates
- Submissions close: Thursday, July 21, 2016 11:00 PM EST
- Wants due: Sunday, July 24, 2016, 11:00 PM EDT
- Results posted: Shortly Thereafter


Trade Geeklist: [LOCKED] Bone Chains and Toothpicks | Games4Games, GC-10+, US-50, OLWLG Shipping Math Trade
Request Geeklist: Bone Chains and Toothpicks | Games4Games, GC-10+, US-50, OLWLG Shipping Math Trade [REQUESTS]

This is primarily a games for games math trade. However, gift cards are allowed this time (per BGG rules and conditions below).


SPECIAL DISTINCTIVES (full rules below)

This is a games for games math trade. All items must be board games, RPGs or board game accessories.
NO DVDs or BluRays.
NO Video Games, Video Game Systems, or Controllers.
GIFT CERTIFICATES ARE ALLOWED PER THESE TERMS:
Trades involving a GC are subject to the new BGG policy: Cash Value Trades in Math Trades (and how to make a geek market listing for them)
Gift certificates as MAIN ITEMS must be $10 or greater in value.
You may add ONE Gift Certificate of up to $10 in value as a sweetener to any game listing. Other game related sweeteners are allowed per normal rules.
Geek Gold IS ALLOWED. Per JeffyJeff's request as designer of the OLWLG, Entries of GG only are allowed.
The entire USA SHOULD BE TREATED the same for shipping. This is STRONGLY RECOMMENDED but not enforced per JeffyJeff decree. In most cases, shipping to CONUS, Alaska, Hawaii, and APO/FPO addresses is nearly always the same price, especially with USPS flat rate shipping. Many have copy/paste descriptions of "CONUS only" so be sure to update your listings accordingly so they are open to more people.
A GeekGold Prize will be awarded to one participant who lists ALL their items as unrestricted US Shipping (details below).
Traders are expected to subscribe to their own GeekList items as they list them and respond promptly and publicly to any questions asked. Any confusion over the item being traded MAY result in it being invalidated in the trade.


MATH TRADE RULES

SHIPPING
1. All shipping costs are covered by the person listing the item. You must have a U.S. address to receive games. There will be no international shipping of items. The STRONG RECOMMENDATION is that you will ship for free to all US and APO/FPO addresses.

1a. The entire USA SHOULD BE TREATED the same for shipping. Unless expressly stated otherwise in your listing, the default assumption is that you're shipping to the full USA. In most cases, shipping to CONUS, Alaska, Hawaii, and APO/FPO addresses is nearly always the same, especially with USPS flat rate shipping. Due to JeffyJeff requirement, this is a STRONG RECOMMEDATION and not required. There will however be a GeekGold prize drawing for participants who do not exclude any area for shipping (ALL US + APO/FPO)

OLWLG REQUIRED
2. Use of the On-Line Want List Generator (OLWLG) http://bgg.activityclub.org/olwlg/ is required for this event.

DELETION OF ENTRIES
3. IMPORTANT: You may now delete your items from the GeekList for any reason up until the list is locked down.


ITEMS ALLOWED
4. This is a Games For Games Trade. Therefore board and card games, BGG-related items, RPG items are allowed. Other items such as DVDs/BluRays, video games, video game systems, books, and gift certificates are NOT allowed in this math trade except as noted below.

Gift Certificates added AS A MAIN ITEM must be $10 or greater in value.

You may include ONE Gift Certificate AS A SWEETENER to a game item to bring up its perceived value. GCs added in this manner may not exceed $10 in value.

Any fees due BGG for GCs are the responsibility of the person RECEIVING the GC. DETAILS: Cash Value Trades in Math Trades (and how to make a geek market listing for them)

Other game related sweeteners are still allowed.


ITEM DESCRIPTION
5. You must describe, as accurately as possible, the condition of both the components and box, language and edition of your item and any sweeteners. You must also inventory the game's components and list anything missing and/or damaged. If you do not, the game is expected to be complete, in like-new condition and be the most recent English edition. You are also responsible for packaging and sending your game correctly -- any damage incurred in the course of shipping must be addressed and resolved by the sender. In other words, if you do not adequately package your game, and it arrives damaged, the onus is upon YOU to correct the matter to the satisfaction of the recipient, which may include up to replacing the damaged item with a new one that is not damaged. Please see the link below for some helpful tips about shipping.

5a. an item's condition can be changed for the better or worse until the list is locked down. No more required deleting the old entry and relisting (unless you just want to). The item is not final until the list is locked down. So early want list makers will need to make sure no items they want have been modified such that they no longer want them. So again, stressing SUBSCRIBE TO ITEMS OF INTEREST when you see them on the GeekList to get notified of changes.

6. Sweeteners are to be listed using the "Insert Geek Link" dropdown or you can manually insert the GAMEID using BGG formatting. If you don't use this format your sweeteners won't show up in the OLWLG properly. Do NOT list any item, using a Geek Link if that item is itself not included in the offering. The OLWLG will pick this up as an item that is being included. Similarly, if you are listing something which is a component, promo, or accessory of a game, list it either with its own BGG entry or using “Outside the Scope of BGG”. DO NOT LIST IT AS THE ITEM, IF YOU DO SO THE WANTLIST FOR THAT ITEM WILL BE BLANKED TO AVOID CONFUSION.

LISTER OBLIGATION TO RESPOND
7. You are required to periodically check your entries for comments and respond to them appropriately. The OLWLG will let you know if any of your items have unanswered comments. Any unclear descriptions may result in that item's want list being blanked by the moderator, at the moderator's discretion.

MODERATOR RESPONSIBILITY
8. Only errors by the moderator will invalidate the results. In the case that there is a problem after the results are posted, the trade will be re-run with the issue addressed.

9. Decisions to anything that comes up regarding this math trade are decided by me. If you do not agree to me making such decisions, then don't participate in the math trade.

10. If you have demonstrated the propensity to be a bad trader in another math trade previously run by me, I reserve the right to ask you to not participate, and if you do participate, I reserve the right to blank out your want lists. I highly doubt this will impact anyone, but as there have been a few "bad traders", they will not be permitted to be involved with this one.

ARBITRAGE
11. No geekgold or gift certificate arbitrage. You may not put geekgold on the want list for your geekgold entry, and you may not put a gift certificate on the want list for your gift certificate entry. There are no exceptions. Any occurrences of arbitrage of either GG or GCs in the end results will result in that user's entire wantlist for all entries to be removed.

PARTICIPANT OBLIGATIONS
12. Timeframe. By entering into this Math Trade, you are committing to being available to ship your items out in a timely fashion. It is expected that within one (1) week of the results being finalized, you will submit all of your trade requests to the individuals receiving your games. Do NOT submit any trade requests until the results have been announced as permanent or official by the Trade Moderator, to allow for time for potential issues to be resolved. It is also expected that within (2) weeks of the trade results being posted or within (1) week of receiving a trade confirmation for your outgoing game you will ship the game to your recipient. Similarly, if you are due to receive a game, you are required to respond to the trade request within two (2) weeks time. If after this time you have not acknowledged the trade request and provided your trade partner with your address, you shall forfeit the item. Obviously, emergencies come up, but if something happens that deviates from this time frame, please communicate that. This is a guideline; if your trade partner is willing to hold your game for an additional period of time, that is up to them, but must be agreed upon.

13. PLEASE BE AWARE THAT ENTERING INTO THIS MATH TRADE IS A COMMITMENT TO TRADE THE ITEMS THAT YOU ARE INDICATING YOU ARE WILLING TO TRADE FOR YOUR ITEM. IT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO DOUBLE CHECK DUPLICATE PROTECTION AND CHECK BOXES. IF YOU ARE NOT WILLING TO TRADE ONE OF YOUR ITEMS FOR ANOTHER ITEM, DO NOT INCLUDE IT IN YOUR WANTLIST. THE RESULTS ONCE POSTED ARE BINDING.

TECHNICAL INFORMATION
TradeMaximizer (will update with version) with duplicate protection will be used
Seed = 20160724, Iterations = 50

USEFUL LINKS AND TUTORIALS
Math_Trades http://www.boardgamegeek.com/wiki/page/Math_Trades- If you're new to math trades, follow this link to learn the ropes.
Math Trades for Dummies http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/287152/math-trades-for-d...- Another good intro.
OLWLG http://www.boardgamegeek.com/wiki/page/OLWLG- Read here for help using the On-Line Want List Generator to submit your want list.
Math Trade Video Tutorials http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/568078/math-trade-video-...
Rahdo Runs Through Math Trades video http://www.boardgamegeek.com/video/32552/outside-the-scope-o...
Packaging Suggestions and Guidelines https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/196679/guide-packaging

Make sure to drop by the discussion thread if you have any questions. Math trades might look a bit complicated at first, but they're really easy and fun once you get the hang of them.

What noisy cats are we!

GEEK GOLD PRIZE FOR UNRESTRICTED SHIPPING
To encourage fair shipping practices (all US the same including APO/FPO), a geek gold prize will be offered to one participant in this Math Trade.

PRIZE: 200 GG from me PLUS ALL TIPS TO THE MATH TRADE GEEKLIST (not replies, items, this discussion or requests). Tips can be added up to the posting of the official results.

ELIGIBILITY: You do not need to actually make a trade to be eligible, but you must have submitted a want list of at least one item. Likewise ALL your items for trade MUST have been listed with unrestricted shipping to the entire US including APO/FPO.

PROCESS: After the trade is finished, I will take a list of all the participants who submitted a valid want list, assign a number, and do a public die roll to select a potential winner. If that winner's items (ALL OF THEM) are properly unrestricted for shipping purposes, they will win the prize. If not, then I will repeat until a winner is selected.
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Re: Bone Chains and Toothpicks | Games4Games, GC-10+, US-50, OLWLG Shipping Math Trade [DISCUSSION]
I'm not seeing this on OLWLG. Am I a bad person?
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Re: Bone Chains and Toothpicks | Games4Games, GC-10+, US-50, OLWLG Shipping Math Trade [DISCUSSION]
Cool, thanks for hosting this Kevin!
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Re: Bone Chains and Toothpicks | Games4Games, GC-10+, US-50, OLWLG Shipping Math Trade [DISCUSSION]
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I'm not seeing this on OLWLG. Am I a bad person?
It normally takes a day or so for it to show up in there.
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Re: Bone Chains and Toothpicks | Games4Games, GC-10+, US-50, OLWLG Shipping Math Trade [DISCUSSION]
mundanesoul wrote:
I'm not seeing this on OLWLG. Am I a bad person?
No... Awaiting Jeff to approve it over there.
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mundanesoul wrote:
I'm not seeing this on OLWLG. Am I a bad person?
No... Awaiting Jeff to approve it over there.
Thanks! Still relatively new to this whole thing and just making sure I'm not doing anything dumb.
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Re: Bone Chains and Toothpicks | Games4Games, GC-10+, US-50, OLWLG Shipping Math Trade [DISCUSSION]
Kevin, thanks for running this. I've been wanting to trade some games and I just can't seem to understand how the other site works.
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Re: Bone Chains and Toothpicks | Games4Games, GC-10+, US-50, OLWLG Shipping Math Trade [DISCUSSION]
Thanks for setting this up!

Will we be able to add games directly from OLWLG?
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Re: Bone Chains and Toothpicks | Games4Games, GC-10+, US-50, OLWLG Shipping Math Trade [DISCUSSION]
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Thanks for setting this up!

Will we be able to add games directly from OLWLG?
Yes... once Jeff approves it, it will be as per normal. I probably should have waited to announce it, but figured some would want to get started.
 
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Re: Bone Chains and Toothpicks | Games4Games, GC-10+, US-50, OLWLG Shipping Math Trade [DISCUSSION]
cromatoast wrote:
Thanks for setting this up!

Will we be able to add games directly from OLWLG?
You can once it shows up as an entry in the OLWLG.
 
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Re: Bone Chains and Toothpicks | Games4Games, GC-10+, US-50, OLWLG Shipping Math Trade [DISCUSSION]
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cromatoast wrote:
Thanks for setting this up!

Will we be able to add games directly from OLWLG?
Yes... once Jeff approves it, it will be as per normal. I probably should have waited to announce it, but figured some would want to get started.
OK, good. The last MT I participated in did not allow it for whatever reason. Hence, the question.

Anyway, I'll wait to add my games until it populates on OLWLG.
 
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Re: Bone Chains and Toothpicks | Games4Games, GC-10+, US-50, OLWLG Shipping Math Trade [DISCUSSION]
Have the OLWLG/BGG sync issues that were a problem in the last couple large math trades been corrected?
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Re: Bone Chains and Toothpicks | Games4Games, GC-10+, US-50, OLWLG Shipping Math Trade [DISCUSSION]
No idea... Certainly hope so.

I'm using the API every couple of hours on another project and no issues.
 
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Have the OLWLG/BGG sync issues that were a problem in the last couple large math trades been corrected?
there has been no issues in the GenCon Math trade, and it is approaching 3000 entries
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Hurrah, we're all free now!
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Hurrah, we're all free now!
Long low time ago people talked to me...

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I haven't seen the results of the trades I won. Is something wrong?
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Re: Bone Chains and Toothpicks | Games4Games, GC-10+, US-50, OLWLG Shipping Math Trade [DISCUSSION]
I notice you can delete geeklist entries now. How long has that been a thing?
 
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I notice you can delete geeklist entries now. How long has that been a thing?
A while, but some hosts still didn't allow it because there were people that still kept track of wants manually, and allowing deletions messed up that process.
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Re: Bone Chains and Toothpicks | Games4Games, GC-10+, US-50, OLWLG Shipping Math Trade [DISCUSSION]
Thanks for using a different seed. Which doesn't matter at all, I just like it.
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Re: Bone Chains and Toothpicks | Games4Games, GC-10+, US-50, OLWLG Shipping Math Trade [DISCUSSION]
SiddGames wrote:
I notice you can delete geeklist entries now. How long has that been a thing?
I did it last time too. Overall it's much simpler. Keeping a running list of soft deleted items created a lot of extra work for the moderator to insure they had no wants. And I had to for each preliminary run too in order for those to be accurate.

All to protect a few using an outdated method of tracking items.

So it's on each person wanting something to recheck condition after the list is locked.
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Thanks for using a different seed. Which doesn't matter at all, I just like it.
I always use the end date.
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SiddGames wrote:
I notice you can delete geeklist entries now. How long has that been a thing?
I did it last time too. Overall it's much simpler. Keeping a running list of soft deleted items created a lot of extra work for the moderator to insure they had no wants. And I had to for each preliminary run too in order for those to be accurate.

All to protect a few using an outdated method of tracking items.

So it's on each person wanting something to recheck condition after the list is locked.
I like your rules. Encourages people to wait to submit their wants until after the submission deadline ends.
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Re: Bone Chains and Toothpicks | Games4Games, GC-10+, US-50, OLWLG Shipping Math Trade [DISCUSSION]
OLWLG is connected.
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Re: Bone Chains and Toothpicks | Games4Games, GC-10+, US-50, OLWLG Shipping Math Trade [DISCUSSION]
Kevin, thank you for setting this up. I appreciate all the hard work you do for the BGG community.
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