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Mad Igor
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Hi,
I own only spanish version of the game, but anyway...
Do you guys sleeve unit cards or not?
If yes which sleeves do you use?

I tried once with FFG sleeves, but it was not really satisfying... it was diffcult to lay cards close to each other as the sleeve was slightly larger as the card...
 
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I don't use sleeves.
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I REALLY want to sleeve these, but there are simply no sleeves sized for the cards unfortunately.

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Mad Igor wrote:
Hi,
I own only spanish version of the game, but anyway...
Do you guys sleeve unit cards or not?
If yes which sleeves do you use?

I tried once with FFG sleeves, but it was not really satisfying... it was diffcult to lay cards close to each other as the sleeve was slightly larger as the card...


For pictures of the sleeves i'm using, see:

https://goo.gl/photos/vfSuqvhuAQ7mFCRJ9

(TL;DR: Swan Panasia 56x87mm and Mayday 45x68mm Premium)

They aren't perfect fits, but they're close. You can order them in Europe from smiling-monster.com once they come back from summer holidays (August 7th, 2016).

(i tried to look for better-fitting sleeves after my set arrived, only to discover that smiling-monster actually goes offline during their vacation. Weird.)

i'm a habitual sleever. i can't not sleeve. However, i'm torn a bit when it comes to sleeving Onus...

The Onus rulebook recommends against sleeving, and i believe it's for the following reasons (speculation on my part):

1) because the cards represent units, and placement/alignment is important (including the addition of "extension" markers), the gaps provided by sleeves can interfere with that.

2) the corners of sleeves can snag on the playmats. (i have a transparent tablecloth over my playmat, so that won't be a problem for me . )

3) the tuck boxes available via the Kickstarter project are too small to hold sleeved cards.


Additionally, the Order/Event cards are "dual-headed", i.e. they are Orders when turned one way and Events when turned this other. This requires that the player choose whether he's going to sleeve such that Events or Orders are at the top (opening) of the sleeve. It's like the "big-endian" vs "little-endian" debate - there is no right answer to it.

The paper on which the cards are printed is of average quality, and not as durable as, say, a Talisman card. Because of that, i feel especially compelled to sleeve Onus cards to extend their lifetime (essentially indefinitely).

Just my 0.02 Euro.
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Thanks for the recommendations. I will have to try to get bang card sleeves then.

-Ski
 
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Teamski wrote:
Thanks for the recommendations. I will have to try to get bang card sleeves then.


If you happen to find some 2mm narrower and 1mm shorter, please let us know - that would be a better fit.
 
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sgbeal wrote:
Teamski wrote:
Thanks for the recommendations. I will have to try to get bang card sleeves then.


If you happen to find some 2mm narrower and 1mm shorter, please let us know - that would be a better fit.


Yeah right! How many of each card are there altogether with the KS exclusives?

-Ski
 
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Teamski wrote:
sgbeal wrote:
Teamski wrote:
Thanks for the recommendations. I will have to try to get bang card sleeves then.


If you happen to find some 2mm narrower and 1mm shorter, please let us know - that would be a better fit.


Yeah right! How many of each card are there altogether with the KS exclusives?


i haven't counted :/. i only sleeved my base set so far, in the hopes of finding tighter-fitting sleeves before i learn the game well enough to use the other parts. The current sleeves work, but i'd prefer a slightly tighter fit for the unit cards to avoid (as yet hypothetical) alignment-related problems on the table (the Mayday sleeves are fine, IMO, for the order/event cards).
 
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I was disappointed to find out sleeving was so hard.

Note that using green FFG sleeves makes them too wide to fit the tuckboxes. Several would be too many to fit in a tuckbox as well. I would have gotten duplicate tuckboxes if I had known that, but they still wouldn't fit the sleeves I have plenty of, so that wouldn't have helped enough.
 
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andrews777 wrote:
I was disappointed to find out sleeving was so hard.

Note that using green FFG sleeves makes them too wide to fit the tuckboxes. Several would be too many to fit in a tuckbox as well. I would have gotten duplicate tuckboxes if I had known that, but they still wouldn't fit the sleeves I have plenty of, so that wouldn't have helped enough.


i'm using Swan Panasia 56x87mm, which are a bit smaller than FFG green, and they also do not fit the tuck boxes (too wide). i'd like to find some sleeves 2mm narrower and 1mm shorter, but (A) i don't know if there are any and (B) i'm still not sure they'd fit the tuck boxes. i'm a bit bummed about that, but the Onus rulebook explicitly recommends against sleeving, so i don't consider this to be a failure on their part.
 
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sgbeal wrote:
andrews777 wrote:
I was disappointed to find out sleeving was so hard.

Note that using green FFG sleeves makes them too wide to fit the tuckboxes. Several would be too many to fit in a tuckbox as well. I would have gotten duplicate tuckboxes if I had known that, but they still wouldn't fit the sleeves I have plenty of, so that wouldn't have helped enough.


i'm using Swan Panasia 56x87mm, which are a bit smaller than FFG green, and they also do not fit the tuck boxes (too wide). i'd like to find some sleeves 2mm narrower and 1mm shorter, but (A) i don't know if there are any and (B) i'm still not sure they'd fit the tuck boxes. i'm a bit bummed about that, but the Onus rulebook explicitly recommends against sleeving, so i don't consider this to be a failure on their part.


I do because I like to protect my games. A sleeve does that.

They may recommend against it, but they will have no way to replace the card if it is damaged several years from now, for example. Using the edges of the sleeve for the things noted would not seriously impact the game and would allow the cards to be protected for those who wish to do so.

A few mm wider boxes would have allowed this too, if they figured the number needed before hand. The latter was laziness on their part. I still backed it, but it is disappointing.
 
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Grretings,

Game designer doesn't recommend use of sleeves. Units are not shuffle ar keep in the hands. They shall be used only on the table, so cards don't need it.
 
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jmkinki wrote:
Grretings,

Game designer doesn't recommend use of sleeves. Units are not shuffle ar keep in the hands. They shall be used only on the table, so cards don't need it.


Sorry, but for us sleevers, there is no explanation that would stop us from sleeving our cards.

-Ski
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jmkinki wrote:
Grretings,

Game designer doesn't recommend use of sleeves. Units are not shuffle ar keep in the hands. They shall be used only on the table, so cards don't need it.


An explanation which makes no sense. People don't sleeve cards because they hate the feel of cardboard, but because sleeves prevent damage.
 
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JgzMan wrote:
jmkinki wrote:
Grretings,

Game designer doesn't recommend use of sleeves. Units are not shuffle ar keep in the hands. They shall be used only on the table, so cards don't need it.


An explanation which makes no sense. People don't sleeve cards because they hate the feel of cardboard, but because sleeves prevent damage.


True. Shuffling does cause more damage, but use can also cause damage.
 
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andrews777 wrote:

They may recommend against it, but they will have no way to replace the card if it is damaged several years from now, for example. Using the edges of the sleeve for the things noted would not seriously impact the game and would allow the cards to be protected for those who wish to do so.

A few mm wider boxes would have allowed this too, if they figured the number needed before hand. The latter was laziness on their part. I still backed it, but it is disappointing.


Draco can't be held accountable for Compulsive Sleeving Disorder (from which i suffer). They recommend against sleeving and their boxes aren't sized with sleeving in mind. That's their design decision which (A) i don't agree with but (B) won't hold against them. i don't consider it laziness - it was a design decision they had to make, and they made it.
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andrews777 wrote:
JgzMan wrote:
jmkinki wrote:
Grretings,

Game designer doesn't recommend use of sleeves. Units are not shuffle ar keep in the hands. They shall be used only on the table, so cards don't need it.


An explanation which makes no sense. People don't sleeve cards because they hate the feel of cardboard, but because sleeves prevent damage.


True. Shuffling does cause more damage, but use can also cause damage.


FWIW, the only cards which get shuffled are the order/event cards, and there is no recommendation against sleeving those (and no tuckboxes which are incompatible with sleeving those). The army cards are never shuffled.

That said: handling the cards at all can potentially damage them, and i'm a hard-core sleever not (as someone said above) because i hate the feel of cardboard, but to keep my cards in good working order for as long as humanly possible.
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My laziness comment was about not being able to clearly tell me how many cards would fit in the tuckboxes and how full they would be ahead of time.

I was told to "figure it out myself." I guess I could have done that, but it was a bit challenging with few details, including the precise card thickness which they would master better.

What I have will work for unsleeved cards and has room for a fair bit of expansion.

I do appreciate the printed tuckboxes. I have not had good success trying to print my own. I just wish they were about 5 mm wider and perhaps a bit taller.
 
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