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So first things first, lets try to keep this focused on the more low level stuff (Offense related to Religion, Sex or Politics can be kept in the RSP forum, although I'm aware there will be a lot of cross over of the points made. RSP issues tend to have more historical context or life belief issues behind them that what I'm wanting discussed here, so lets see if we can accomplish this without needing to move to RSP).

So what's the point of this post?

I've found recent threads that raise the issue of offense to be curious. Is it ok to use the term Ameritrash? Do you get insulted when people refer to Board Games as Toys? Is it ok to call someone a Geek? These are just some examples of what I'm talking about, it's amazing where offense seems to pop his head up these days.

Now none of those terms bother me in the least, however it is evident from post on BGG that some people take direct offense and then there is another tier of people that although ok with the terms/words easily understand why others may take offense.

So this is where I'm left scratching my head? How are the terms offensive? Yes if used in a demeaning or derogatory way I can see why people would take offense, but that doesn't make the terms offensive, merely the context and intent of what the person using the terms is implying or suggesting.

As a side step from board games, when growing up I knew a lot of Rev heads (People into cars and motor sports etc). Rev head was sometimes used in a derogatory manner by people that didn't like the activities of Rev Heads. However most people I know wear the term Rev Head as a badge of honour or acknowledgement of their interest to this day.

Much like the term Gamer can be used. I proudly associate and label myself a gamer, although I've heard people use it in a derogatory manner. Much like Geek.

Now this is the part I don't get. I'm proud to be associated as a Geek and a Gamer. When someone attempts to use it as a negative for me, I don't find offense I'm just thinking they are missing out, because if they new the fun it encompassed they too would want to be a Geek/Gamer. Most of my gaming group are people that were into quite physical activities in their younger years and previously thought games were for Geeks, but having been introduced to them think they are the next best thing since sliced bread and are happy to get in on the geek label now.

So what's my point?

Well from my view point I can only be offended by use of these sorts of terms if I think there is something wrong with them and what they encompass. Sure games are technically toys, but boy are they good fun.

All in all I can't help but think a lot of what people are calling offensive is more about their own insecurities than certain terms actually being offensive.
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People are different, and they feel differently about things.

It's a reach to tell someone the way they feel is wrong, in my opinion.
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Yes.
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Yup, things have gotten weird.

If you are offended, you are either close-minded or too sensitive.
If you aren't offended, you are called bigoted or told you are some political radical.

You just can't win arguments nowadays, so ignore them and play more games. At least, the rules are simpler, somebody wins, and you have fun whistle

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Agreed. That's why I'm asking the question. To try to understand why others find offense in what I consider low level issues.

I'm not suggesting the way anyone feels is wrong, I'm curious to know why they feel that way.

I've merely supplied the reasons for the way I feel about if for discussion purposes.
 
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If someone actually managed to offend me, I'd applaud them for the effort.
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I think many people have a problem expressing their true emotions and to "blow up" on an online forum is a safe place for them to do it. It's easy to express outrage at the world from the safety of your chair and keyboard. Is it healthy, I have no idea whatsoever.

Asking people why something pisses them off is pointless though, people get pissed off because they get pissed off.

Do we step close to the "politically correctness" line when we post something that might "trigger" others? For myself, I try to be polite and post the same way I would speak to someone face to face. I don't try to be offensive nor do I bait people or try to show off. It's called being polite and respectful, something a lot more people should practice!
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How dare you accuse us of being offended too easily!

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plezercruz wrote:
How dare you accuse us of being offended too easily!

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James: I sincerely apologize for the fact that you are a sensitive goober! whistle
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Yup, things have gotten weird.

If you are offended, you are either close-minded or too sensitive.
If you aren't offended, you are called bigoted or told you are some political radical.

You just can't win arguments nowadays, so ignore them and play more games. At least, the rules are simpler, somebody wins, and you have fun whistle



Well said.
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joetaco wrote:

You just can't win arguments nowadays, so ignore them and play more games.


Yeah, this is the approach I'm taking now.
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I remember this fondly:

I'm offended by......
 
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jamesl59 wrote:
plezercruz wrote:
How dare you accuse us of being offended too easily!

Pete (demands an apology)


James: I sincerely apologize for the fact that you are a sensitive goober! whistle


I'm totally offended by the use of the "goober" word!!!
 
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RingelTree wrote:
I remember this fondly:

I'm offended by......


Eeeeh gads man! Now you've offended everyone!!! You just had to stoop to bringing Disney into this. Have you no soul????
 
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Theldyrn wrote:
If someone actually managed to offend me, I'd applaud them for the effort.


Your penmanship is appalling
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No.
 
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bortmonkey wrote:
Theldyrn wrote:
If someone actually managed to offend me, I'd applaud them for the effort.


Your penmanship is appalling


I was hoping for "resembles the barf of a disoriented wolverine". So I'm slightly miffed.
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Bearhug78 wrote:
Now this is the part I don't get. I'm proud to be associated as a Geek and a Gamer. When someone attempts to use it as a negative for me, I don't find offense I'm just thinking they are missing out, because if they new the fun it encompassed they too would want to be a Geek/Gamer. Most of my gaming group are people that were into quite physical activities in their younger years and previously thought games were for Geeks, but having been introduced to them think they are the next best thing since sliced bread and are happy to get in on the geek label now.


For myself, I tend not to get offended by the specific term being used but rather the intent.

I haven't experienced this myself but if someone used that term as a negative for me, I will cut that person out of my life. Not because they used the term geek or gamer - but because they tried to put me down. I have very little free time so I'm not going to spend the little amount I have with people who hold me in contempt and actively try to belittle me.

By way of example.

This would be okay - "Hey, everyone. This is Joke. He's a geek and likes boardgames."
This would not be okay - "Hey, everyone. This is Joke. He's a geek and likes "boardgames". <snigger>"

Edit: To answer your other point, I don't think they are missing out either. I think that different people like different things and I'm sure that they have their own hobbies and interests which work for them. I don't think boardgames are necessarily better than their hobbies - just different.

Edit 2: I worded that edit really badly so let me try again. I don't agree with the notion that there is a boardgame for everyone. This is part of the reason that I don't evangelize boardgames. I think that there are people who will never get into boardgames. I don't think its a problem though as they will have other things that they can get into. To each their own an' all that.
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I'm offended that no one responded "maybe".
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Quick, someone talk about games to keep this out of RSP!
 
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Plaid_Dragon wrote:
I'm offended that no one responded "maybe".


Crap!!! I should have gone for it earlier when I had the impulse.
 
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cool username wrote:
Quick, someone talk about games to keep this out of RSP!


RSP or RIP?
 
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I ain't no "we"!
 
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